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Miami needs to return to the West Coast Offense. Tannehill is the prototype West Coast QB. He has outstanding underneath/ intermediate accuracy, mobility, and timing. Landry and Parker are great fits as well with their RAC abilities. I'm so sick and tired of seeing this offense. Lazor doesn't even use it's best weapon: tempo. I hate seeing 11 and 10 personnel constantly. We need to be running 21, 12, and 22 personnel with some 11 sprinkled in. We don't even have a fullback or a (healthy) tight end on the roster!

Some of the play calling is hilarious. I can understand the occasional toss to the boundary as a tendency breaker, but it's Lazor's favorite play. And all the screens... they only work when you have leverage and numbers on the defense. What's the easiest way to do that? TEMPO!

And how about time of possession?? This year we have been dominated in TOP. What offense did the Skins and Jags run? West Coast.

If you look at west coast teams with zone blocking schemes they are among the league leaders in explosive runs, and the least amount of negative rushes. Not only will changing to a WCO allow us to be a more explosive offense, it will put Tannehill in more 3rd down and managables, because the lack of negative plays.

To me this is a no brainer.
 
In all honesty we'd probably use more 2 TE sets if we could keep 2 of them healthy for a full game...but I agree with you. We need to get back to a more traditional offense and move away from the zone read/spread stuff. I think we're limiting our offense with it. It's no surprise that two of the worst running teams in the league are the Dolphins and the Eagles. Chip Kelly's offense has run it's course in the NFL it would seem.
 
So, if you change to WC offense you don't still get stupid calls? Of course you do. That doesn't change in any offense. The future of this league is not the WC offense...

And are you really basing this off the fact that the Skins and Jags run it? Really? You mean the same team that had 5 3 and outs in row in the second half? Just because we stunk up the field, doesn't mean what they were doing was any good.
 
datruth55 said:
In all honesty we'd probably use more 2 TE sets if we could keep 2 of them healthy for a full game...but I agree with you. We need to get back to a more traditional offense and move away from the zone read/spread stuff. I think we're limiting our offense with it. It's no surprise that two of the worst running teams in the league are the Dolphins and the Eagles. Chip Kelly's offense has run it's course in the NFL it would seem.
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We are not limiting our offense by using the spread. Our OL is limiting our options in the spread...

I firmly believe we do this dink and dunk offense because of the OL. When we started last year, we went down the field much more. The offense looked really good. Then Albert got hurt...then we started to see the downfield passes become fewer and fewer. The fact that Tannehill couldn't hit the broad side of a barn over 20 yards didn't help either.
 
Dr. Phin said:
So, if you change to WC offense you don't still get stupid calls? Of course you do. That doesn't change in any offense. The future of this league is not the WC offense...

And are you really basing this off the fact that the Skins and Jags run it? Really? You mean the same team that had 5 3 and outs in row in the second half? Just because we stunk up the field, doesn't mean what they were doing was any good.
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Haha not at all. I was just using an example of time of possession. I do not think we should run it because they do, I think we should run it because #1. It's the best scheme in football and #2. It's a perfect fit for the personnel on the existing roster.
 
Dr. Phin said:
We are not limiting our offense by using the spread. Our OL is limiting our options in the spread...

I firmly believe we do this dink and dunk offense because of the OL. When we started last year, we went down the field much more. The offense looked really good. Then Albert got hurt...then we started to see the downfield passes become fewer and fewer. The fact that Tannehill couldn't hit the broad side of a barn over 20 yards didn't help either.
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OL is limiting the offense but if you think handing the ball off to a flat footed RB that's standing next to the QB and then having him try to accelerate into a hole that's already closed by the time he gets there isn't an issue then I don't know what to tell you.
 
To Dr. Phin: Some of the teams that ran WCO last year: Packers, Seahawks, Ravens, Chiefs...
 
Doesn't matter what kind of offense you run if the offensive line can't win the line of scrimmage consistently.
 
Tannenbombs said:
To Dr. Phin: Some of the teams that ran WCO last year: Packers, Seahawks, Ravens, Chiefs...
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So what? You know how many teams didn't? Why don't you go tell the Pats they should switch to the WCO and see what Belichek and Brady tell you...

Was Sherman your hero or something?
 
Dr. Phin said:
So what? You know how many teams didn't? Why don't you go tell the Pats they should switch to the WCO and see what Belichek and Brady tell you...

Was Sherman your hero or something?
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You caught me. Go. Go-go.
 
datruth55 said:
OL is limiting the offense but if you think handing the ball off to a flat footed RB that's standing next to the QB and then having him try to accelerate into a hole that's already closed by the time he gets there isn't an issue then I don't know what to tell you.
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Which isn't an issue in a zone running scheme, since the idea is the RB should cut back against the direction of the play if his initial hole is closed.

EDIT: By the way, this offense is mostly West Coast as it is, at least in the basic concepts common to all variations of West Coast offenses.
 
Our oline sucks which I'm sure limits the play calling. It wouldn't matter what scheme we ran. Without cornfeds who can block, our O is anemic.
 
That is one thing that is amiss with this team...

I have always believed that it is better to run a system that fits your players skill set the best as opposed to forcing the players to fit a scheme.

As Tannebombs has pointed out, this team is very much suited to run the WCO. The QB, WR, RB and even the lineman are all players that fit that system best. This is a fundamental issue I have with the Kelly (and now Lazor) school of thought...that scheme trumps players. They believe that the system the run can be successful with any set of players, but we have seen just the opposite happen especially when you get talented coordinators enough tape on the scheme that can start to game plan for it.

What Belicheck doe so well is mold his system to his players...he runs what Brady runs well and uses the players that are available to him to take advantage of what they do well. We brought all these pieces in here and while Lazor offense is a very tweaked version of the of the WCO...it gets too cutsy and it still fails to use the player to maximize their abilities.
 
DearbornDolfan said:
Which isn't an issue in a zone running scheme, since the idea is the RB should cut back against the direction of the play if his initial hole is closed.

EDIT: By the way, this offense is mostly West Coast as it is, at least in the basic concepts common to all variations of West Coast offenses.
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Cut back to what? In a true ZBS there are natural running lanes created in the blocking scheme where the RB (preferably one with good vision and the ability to cut) can pick a hole and cut into it and get yards. There are no holes to cut back into for Miller. The LOS is being established 3 yards into the backfield on most running plays right now and there's no place for Miller to cut and gain yards.
 
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