What constitutes a starting QB?

[Canadianfishfan]

What constitutes a starting QB on this squad? There are things that Feeley has done well.... same with GUS...

Lets not compare our 2 guys to other teams.... or guys from the past...

Lets start a non bashing(of people from this board) Of what we would like to see improved from BOTH QBs.

Personally I think both will play this year. So everyone will have what they want. But We all know theyre even so far..

Lets hear some pros and cons on both (maturely of coarse!) And try to be objective... to a positive light on how they both HELp.. this squad.

***Keep in mind the deficiencies of the offense that have plagued both QBS.

This means in you want guy to be the guy.. BACK IT UP!

 

[oxman85]

I think GUS is GUS and really wont be improving too much, it is just a matter of getting comfortable with the recievers and hopefully becoming an average starter for the fins.

Feeley needs

- better footwork

- improved mobility

- to stop latching on to one reciever

- an improved o-line

 

[Butterfrog 2.0]

Gus's Strengths.......
-Manages game well
-Good pocket presence
-Good Arm
-He already knows the system
-More mobile than I thought
Weaknesses.........
-Needs to get timing down with WR's
-A Bit inconsistent at times .....That's all I can really think of, but consistency, and Timing are HUGE for a QB
AJ's Strength's...........
-Good arm
-Seems to be a pretty tough kid
-Timing seems to be a little better with WR's
Weaknesses..........
-Bad pocket presence
-Immobile
-Inconsistent
-Makes bad decisions at crucial times
-Locks onto Recievers

I still think Gus should start, but all of Feeley's negatives are correctable, and he is young enough to where he can still change his game a bit. Frerrote on the other hand isn't going to become a differen't QB this late in his career, but he can also correct the mistakes he has made so far this preaseason

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Gus's Strengths.......
-Manages game well
-Good pocket presence
-Good Arm
-He already knows the system
-More mobile than I thought
Weaknesses.........
-Needs to get timing down with WR's
-A Bit inconsistent at times .....That's all I can really think of, but consistency, and Timing are HUGE for a QB
AJ's Strength's...........
-Good arm
-Seems to be a pretty tough kid
-Timing seems to be a little better with WR's
Weaknesses..........
-Bad pocket presence
-Immobile
-Inconsistent
-Makes bad decisions at crucial times
-Locks onto Recievers

I still think Gus should start, but all of Feeley's negatives are correctable, and he is young enough to where he can still change his game a bit. Frerrote on the other hand isn't going to become a differen't QB this late in his career, but he can also correct the mistakes he has made so far this preaseason

Excellent post bro... I sure hope other keep this type of evaluation in mind when posting to this thread!

 

[adamprez2003]

I would say in order of importance the following attributes are what's necessary to be succesful at the position

1) Accuracy

2) intelligence ( sizing up the defense, knowing the offense)

3) Arm Strength

4) nerve ( can't be easily rattled could also be called pocket presence)

5) heart

In general I think you need the first two to win, the latter three just elevate your game that much more.

 

[KB21]

I think GUS is GUS and really wont be improving too much, it is just a matter of getting comfortable with the recievers and hopefully becoming an average starter for the fins.

Feeley needs

- better footwork

- improved mobility

- to stop latching on to one reciever

- an improved o-line

When someone mentions mobility as a critical factor in a quarterback, I quit reading at that point. Mobility is the least of the problems.

Feeley simply lacks a feel for the position at this point.

As for what constitutes a starting quarterback, that's simple. A starting quarterback should be able to control the game and make big plays with his arm.

The thing that Gus does that will give him the edge over Feeley is that he has that time clock in his head to know when to throw the ball and when to hold it. Gus also looks for the big play before checking down. Especially last night, AJ got into the Jay Fiedler rut of never even looking down the field, opting to dump the ball off in the flats instead. He keeps doing that, and he's not going to make many plays with his arm.

 

[adamprez2003]

When someone mentions mobility as a critical factor in a quarterback, I quit reading at that point. Mobility is the least of the problems.

Feeley simply lacks a feel for the position at this point.

As for what constitutes a starting quarterback, that's simple. A starting quarterback should be able to control the game and make big plays with his arm.

The thing that Gus does that will give him the edge over Feeley is that he has that time clock in his head to know when to throw the ball and when to hold it. Gus also looks for the big play before checking down. Especially last night, AJ got into the Jay Fiedler rut of never even looking down the field, opting to dump the ball off in the flats instead. He keeps doing that, and he's not going to make many plays with his arm.

Not true. In the first preseason game it was Feeley that was looking down the field first and Gus settling for the short stuff. What did it get Feeley but the bench. He adjusted to what the defense gives him and uis going with the short stuff

 

[jlfin]

Not true. In the first preseason game it was Feeley that was looking down the field first and Gus settling for the short stuff. What did it get Feeley but the bench. He adjusted to what the defense gives him and uis going with the short stuff

In the eyes of some people, Feeley can do nothing right. Last night it was apparent the coaches made some adjustments to account for Pittsburgh's blitzes. Feeley had success because he carried out the offensive game plan. Someone posted last night that the dink and dunk approach requires too many plays and leaves more room for error (turnovers).
That's funny, but during the 49'ers heyday their tactic was to run a short controlled passing attack with high percentage passes and methodically moving down the field. They also tried to put their WR's in position to maked big plays with YAC. However, there primary goal was to move the ball methodically downfield. Of course if the Dolphins do that, it is a dink and dunk attack.
When you are facing a blitzing high pressure defense that is one of the ways to slow them down. Keep converting first downs and wear them out. Last night the offense had a sloppy game with all the turnovers.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

In the eyes of some people, Feeley can do nothing right. Last night it was apparent the coaches made some adjustments to account for Pittsburgh's blitzes. Feeley had success because he carried out the offensive game plan. Someone posted last night that the dink and dunk approach requires too many plays and leaves more room for error (turnovers).
That's funny, but during the 49'ers heyday their tactic was to run a short controlled passing attack with high percentage passes and methodically moving down the field. They also tried to put their WR's in position to maked big plays with YAC. However, there primary goal was to move the ball methodically downfield. Of course if the Dolphins do that, it is a dink and dunk attack.
When you are facing a blitzing high pressure defense that is one of the ways to slow them down. Keep converting first downs and wear them out. Last night the offense had a sloppy game with all the turnovers.

Not a good example, comparing anything we have currently to the vintage 49ers. That team set the alltime standard for consistently phenomenal yards per attempt. Plus they combined it with excellent rushing attempt numbers, other than 1990 when Siefert got ****y after his rookie Super Bowl win and pretended they didn't need a running game.

The 49ers never threw immediately to safety valve clods standing flatfooted facing the QB. That has become A.J. Feeley's salad pass. He seldom looks elsewhere. San Francisco had dangerous weaponry heading downfield en masse. It was brilliant to watch in person, as I had the privilege many times. The backs or Brent Jones were heading upfield and usually at least five yards past the line of scrimmage when they caught the football, obviously aided by Rice and Taylor scaring everyone deep.

As KB pointed out, Gus has a far superior grasp of when to throw the ball, not just where. Once we're not playing road games against defensive fronts like Jacksonville and Pittsburgh, there will be more time to throw and Gus will connect downfield. A.J. seems like a happy camper who is clueless he's doing anything wrong via the two yard tinkerbell tosses. Watching Feeley chuckle it up on the sideline late in last night's game with the team behind and his yards per attempt below 5 made me absolutely sick. I'm old enough to remember the glory years and nothing like that was tolerated, even in August.