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Penny is still a nice field general and we gotta love having him, but he still can't get it deep enough for a Ginn fly pattern.

Henne is accurate with a strong arm but still needs to be more prudent with his decisions. Overall though, he does look like he can be a good starter in the NFL.

Pat White is a gamer. He had been throwing high all summer in camps but was dead on with his accuracy in the game. Every single one of his passes should have been caught. I think he had about 4 or even 5 drops by his receivers including the one by Kimble that was picked. Pat also gets exactly what he needs when he runs i.e. 1st downs! Pat is ready to help us now in the wildcat and will give Henne a run for his money for the future starting QB job.

Ronnie looks like Ronnie which is to say a tough running, complete back who unfortunately, just does not have the natural RB gifts of a guy like Ricky. Both will contribute in a likely 50/35/15% split (Ronnie/Ricky/Pat) this year in the running attack.

TE is status quo. Didn't see much from Nalbone and doubt Wilford makes the roster (although cap ramifications could be in his favor.

Ginn is coming along very nicely. For all of our crying and moaning about Cam/Mueller drafting him 9th overall, he should eventually prove to be a good pick. He is just one of those finnese/speed WRs who take a few year to develop (more Joey Galloway than Anquan Boldin). He also might look better with a QB who can get the ball over the top.

Bess will lead the team in catches with Penny using him as his security blanket all year.

Camarillo will be fine and will help us but he should be brought back slowly/cautiously.

Turner and Harline were good picks where we got them. Our WR core now has size and depth b/c of them. Turner needs to work on those hands though (at least 3 drops).

London and Armstrong will be cut.

Chris Williams should also be cut (hopefully making it to the PS though). I hate to say that b/c I know he is getting a lot of love here but 1.) he bobbled every ball he touched and fielded a punt inside the 5 yard line and 2.) we have limited roster space with Pat White needing to be active on game days and 3.) Ginn should be the KR and Bess (or dare I say Sean Smith) should be the PR.

OL and DL feedback will follow after I re-watch the game but feel free to add your own thoughts. (I did think Tony McDaniel looked as good as, if not better than Soliai but again, not too sure yet).

JT, Porter and Wake will be NASTY this year!!!

Sean Smith is the steal of the draft! Thank gawd we got him even after trading down in the late 2nd round. A gamer with elite size, good enough speed and awesome ball skills! I'm tempted to see him in PR/wildcat but I guess a starting CB job is probably enough for now.

Vontae Davis reminds me exactly of his brother Vernon; million dollar body with a $0.10 brain. CB was our need (especially after losing Goodman for Eric Green) and Vontae was considered a good value at 25 but man, I think we're looking at years for him to mature (just like Vernon in SF). I think we might end up regretting not trading up just two spots for Ole Miss OT Michael Oher who looks absolutely dominant for BAL (drafted at pick 23). Our OL would be ridiculously nasty with great depth if we had him starting at OG with Donald Thomas and Smiley battling it out for the other OG job.

Gibril Wilson and Yeremiah Bell make a formidible safety due.

Not liking our DB depth too much but would like to see more of Chris Clemmons and (gulp) Jason Allen.

If we have an extra roster spot for any offensive player, I actually like Lex Hilliard more than Chris Williams or Wilford or London. But again, with Pat White needing to be active on game days (along with Henne), I don't see that extra spot being there for anyone.


Please add your own...
 
we learned that most dolphin fans have already drawn conclusions after one preseason game.
 
After watching both Carolina/Giants and the Phins/Jags, I was intrigued by Barden but could not see the reasons for all the man crushes for him on this site.

Had both Turner & Barden been on the board, Ireland IMO still would have taken Turner. To me, PT looks a little more fluid than Ramses.
 
we learned that most dolphin fans have already drawn conclusions after one preseason game.


Is that against the law? Nobody is saying last night's performances set your NFL career in stone but...we did learn some things, right?
 
After watching both Carolina/Giants and the Phins/Jags, I was intrigued by Barden but could not see the reasons for all the man crushes for him on this site.

Had both Turner & Barden been on the board, Ireland IMO still would have taken Turner. To me, PT looks a little more fluid than Ramses.


I watched every preseason game from the weekend and I'm not worried at all about passing on Nicks (who the Giants also took) or Barden (who the Giants got before our BETTER pick of Patrick Turner). Turner just needs to hang onto the ball but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he was playing in the rain.

I do however worry that Vontae may leave us wanting more for a 1st round pick and I like what I saw of guys drafted after him including WR Kenny Britt (TEN) and DL Ziggy Hood (PIT).
 
What did we learn....ours was better then there's.

Even with it only being a first preseason game....the Jags play to win...they have a very good coach...and he wants his players to play like he did...hard and all out.
 
Good Oberservations but I do not see Ginn back at KR or PR he will be our #1 WR and you never see #1 as the PR/WR to much of a risk. He looks good bulked up big things from him this year.

chris williams looked good other then that mental mistake. BUT its onlt the first game of preseason I would want to see him more before saying he should go or stay.
 
Good Oberservations but I do not see Ginn back at KR or PR he will be our #1 WR and you never see #1 as the PR/WR to much of a risk. He looks good bulked up big things from him this year.

chris williams looked good other then that mental mistake. BUT its onlt the first game of preseason I would want to see him more before saying he should go or stay.


That is a good point. Even Devin Hester is being taken off of return duties now that he is the #1 WR in CHI.

I just don't see how we make room for a returner-only like Chris Williams and also not make use of Ginn's talent on KRs (not so much PRs).

Hmmmm...
 
we learned that most dolphin fans have already drawn conclusions after one preseason game.


that is because some us are samart enough to realize that we will be a bad team this year whether we like it or not. now most people cant handle the truth but when your rivials all score more then 17 points in their first games and yet again the dolphins couldnt find the endzone . I think some people are having a false sense of security about Miami and last year was a fluke .

just because Parcells is here doesnt actually mean he will make the right decisions. Now I hope I am proven wrong and i hope they will add more talent but yet they havent added any talent yet they went out and got basement bargin type players and that wont cut it not in the afc east.

I am not trying to be negative ,I am just pointing out that we didnt didnt really improved on ofrfense but I will give credit for the defense and with the exception of eric green they have done a good job there.
 
i think there's only one thing we didn't know before the game that we found out, and shouldn't change throughout the next 3 preseason games:

sean smith will start at cornerback
 
Penny is still a nice field general and we gotta love having him, but he still can't get it deep enough for a Ginn fly pattern.

Penny is still the best QB on the team. He doesn't need the long ball when he is the most accurate guy on the team.

Henne is accurate with a strong arm but still needs to be more prudent with his decisions. Overall though, he does look like he can be a good starter in the NFL.

I learned anyone who thinks this man is ready needs to take another look and give him another year to learn. As long as Penny is healthy he should be on this team and Henne can wait.

Pat White is a gamer. He had been throwing high all summer in camps but was dead on with his accuracy in the game. Every single one of his passes should have been caught. I think he had about 4 or even 5 drops by his receivers including the one by Kimble that was picked. Pat also gets exactly what he needs when he runs i.e. 1st downs! Pat is ready to help us now in the wildcat and will give Henne a run for his money for the future starting QB job.

Wouldn't call him dead on but i was happy to watch him. He is a kid and he made mistakes I don't want him making when he runs the wildcat.

Ronnie looks like Ronnie which is to say a tough running, complete back who unfortunately, just does not have the natural RB gifts of a guy like Ricky . Both will contribute in a likely 50/35/15% split (Ronnie/Ricky/Pat) this year in the running attack.

Ronnie is ronnie but ricky is still be best RB on the team. Weed is good for your vision after all. (god thinking about how good he could have been makes me sad...)

TE is status quo. Didn't see much from Nalbone and doubt Wilford makes the roster (although cap ramifications could be in his favor.

good enough

Ginn is coming along very nicely. For all of our crying and moaning about Cam/Mueller drafting him 9th overall, he should eventually prove to be a good pick. He is just one of those finnese/speed WRs who take a few year to develop (more Joey Galloway than Anquan Boldin). He also might look better with a QB who can get the ball over the top.

So far Ginn is getting better and his speed gives him some very nice plays he can be apart of. I still don think he was worth 9, but hey at least cam/ram are gone...

Bess will lead the team in catches with Penny using him as his security blanket all year.

We shall see.

Camarillo will be fine and will help us but he should be brought back slowly/cautiously.

Agreed, when he is healthy cam is the default go get the ball anywhere guy.

Turner and Harline were good picks where we got them. Our WR core now has size and depth b/c of them. Turner needs to work on those hands though (at least 3 drops).

Turner is going to be a redzone beast, i hope :)

London and Armstrong will be cut.

Agreed...but the draft picks force this, not necessarily anything they did wrong...

Chris Williams should also be cut (hopefully making it to the PS though). I hate to say that b/c I know he is getting a lot of love here but 1.) he bobbled every ball he touched and fielded a punt inside the 5 yard line and 2.) we have limited roster space with Pat White needing to be active on game days and 3.) Ginn should be the KR and Bess (or dare I say Sean Smith) should be the PR.

Dont agree with putting ginn there...he is turning into a great offensive weapon and dont want him getting hurt...we have other people that can return kicks

OL and DL feedback will follow after I re-watch the game but feel free to add your own thoughts. (I did think Tony McDaniel looked as good as, if not better than Soliai but again, not too sure yet).

The Oline is behind Jacksonville's DL but they generally are...I really hope they get better because i really want to see us run in between the tackles more...we could not last night....

JT, Porter and Wake will be NASTY this year!!!

We had some nice preasure on the 1st team last night...I hope it continues and gets better...

Sean Smith is the steal of the draft! Thank gawd we got him even after trading down in the late 2nd round. A gamer with elite size, good enough speed and awesome ball skills! I'm tempted to see him in PR/wildcat but I guess a starting CB job is probably enough for now.

After seeing him this game I will say he is more ready to go than V Davis but i hope that changes soon...If we blew another #1 i am going to be pissed...

Vontae Davis reminds me exactly of his brother Vernon; million dollar body with a $0.10 brain. CB was our need (especially after losing Goodman for Eric Green) and Vontae was considered a good value at 25 but man, I think we're looking at years for him to mature (just like Vernon in SF). I think we might end up regretting not trading up just two spots for Ole Miss OT Michael Oher who looks absolutely dominant for BAL (drafted at pick 23). Our OL would be ridiculously nasty with great depth if we had him starting at OG with Donald Thomas and Smiley battling it out for the other OG job.

Sad to say I agree...Stupid stupid penalty running into a guy who calls for the fair catch...it was tick tack call but I knew it was coming...he's gotta be smarter, but like our last corner/safety taken in the 1st round i see him as a flop...Smart is not something you can teach at this point...

Gibril Wilson and Yeremiah Bell make a formidible safety due.

I hope so

Not liking our DB depth too much but would like to see more of Chris Clemmons and (gulp) Jason Allen.

man is jason still on the team :(

If we have an extra roster spot for any offensive player, I actually like Lex Hilliard more than Chris Williams or Wilford or London. But again, with Pat White needing to be active on game days (along with Henne), I don't see that extra spot being there for anyone.

I liked what i saw from him but i see him getting snatched this year...he has progressed nicely...do we need 4 rbs active though?


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It was just the first game and was pretty much just a practice with another team...I was happy to see it but my biggest concern after last night was the 1st Oline against jacksonvilles 1st oline...thats gotta get better fast...oher is looking better all the time IMO and i hope we didnt make a mistake...
 
We learned alot, but alot of questions should be answered after the 3rd preseason game. Mainly those players we thought had a good outting continue to do well, and those who struggled , are they able to turn it around or do they stay stuck in the mud.........
 
Is that against the law? Nobody is saying last night's performances set your NFL career in stone but...we did learn some things, right?

Of course it isn't against the law. And yes, we did learn some things; this is why we have been anticipating this game for a while now. But to draw conclusions on Turner, Henne, or Davis from basically a few quarters of preseason play is absurd in my opinion. I am not saying you said this stuff, but there are people on FH who did.
 
Only thing that seemed to me to be a glaring concern was Eric Green.

THe minute that guy hit the field the Jags made a point to abuse him and did.

The guy will not be in the starting rotation come week 1.



Others irritations were stupid plays by Vontae Davis.
He needs to lose the ego and start realizing he's in the NFL now and like all other rookies will need to improve to stick at that level.

OL needs to gel.
I put this as an irritation because it's very early and it's not uncommon for OL's to be in a little dissaray at this point. We have the players to have a great OL and I believe they'll put it together.

QB play sloppy at times but again, that's completely expected at this point.

Other than that I was happy with the performance for an early preseason game.
 
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