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Happy Holidays Community,

I was curious... as someone who is a casual fan in terms of the Xs and Os .. what do the defensive experts around here make of Jevon Holland. From my point of view, with only the 'eyes' factor and watching and appreciating Football for 40 years (wow did I just say 40 years!!!) -- It seems to me that Holland is pretty much (at least this year) just another 'okay' defender.

He receives a lot of praise but I am not really seeing it on the field. I will admit he showed more to me last year but this year-- just not seeing anything more than mediocre for the most part. Obviously, he does make plays, but there are a lot of NFL players who make plays so I am asking more along the lines of:

Do people feel he will actually end up becoming a legitiate star not just another decent player? And, if so, what happened this year? Or, and I just not student of the game enough to see whatever little/solid/fundamental things he does?

Thanks
 
Bretaw131313 said:
Happy Holidays Community,

I was curious... as someone who is a casual fan in terms of the Xs and Os .. what do the defensive experts around here make of Jevon Holland. From my point of view, with only the 'eyes' factor and watching and appreciating Football for 40 years (wow did I just say 40 years!!!) -- It seems to me that Holland is pretty much (at least this year) just another 'okay' defender.

He receives a lot of praise but I am not really seeing it on the field. I will admit he showed more to me last year but this year-- just not seeing anything more than mediocre for the most part. Obviously, he does make plays, but there are a lot of NFL players who make plays so I am asking more along the lines of:

Do people feel he will actually end up becoming a legitiate star not just another decent player? And, if so, what happened this year? Or, and I just not student of the game enough to see whatever little/solid/fundamental things he does?

Thanks
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He was better last year than he has been this year.

I bought his jersey thinking he would become the next Ed Reed. But I'm now a bit worried he will only amount to an above average saftey.

It could be a sophomore slump but most likley it's the fact we have an idiot as the DC.

Last year Holland had Flores and Alexander calling defensive plays. Boyer only called plays for a couple of weeks last year before Alexander took over those duties to close out the last 8 weeks or so. I'm hoping with a better DC playcaller it will put Holland back in a position to succeed and become a top 5 saftey in this league.
 
He is playing like a top25% safety right now, which is a regression from last year and earlier this year.

The entire secondary suffers when they have to overextend themselves.

Holland is literally doing everything and playing all the snaps. Same with X. These guys are being asked to do things that are not their ideal skill sets all the time for the good of the team.

Same with guys like Baker, too, who gets way more crap than he should (he’s not elite but he’s far from our biggest problem).

Jevon Holland should never be expected to make massive splash plays every game as a safety, but we are definitely missing some from him that we would get if Byron Jones, Needham, and Brandon Jones were playing.

We’d definitely see more rest and better play from X if the other lockdown guy was here.

We would definitely see more splashy sacks and stuffs from Baker if he could play downhill and have to do a less cerebral role.

The individuals will all suffer for the good of the team to pick up the slack.

Our defense gets way too much **** on this forum. We are in every game, we haven’t been even close to blown out a single time nor can point to the defense being terrible through the course of an entire game. They have bad moments, they’ve had some questionable alignments (wtf was that prevent in the end zone before half call against Sf?), but they also have made crucial stops, big plays and helped us win some games too.

Although we have been on a 3 game skid, we are playing extremely consistent complimentary football this season. This is the best balance I have personally ever witnessed in 28+ years of watching this team. And the fact that we haven’t lost to any bad teams is the sign of a GOOD team and a well coached one.

We aren’t perfect, but we are trending up and I’m happy with our coaching and direction as a squad.

And Holland, he’ll bounce back even better next year. He’s overextending and so he won’t look as good doing 1.5 peoples job - it’s normal.

Just my two cents
 
What exactly are you looking for when you watch him?
 
Atila said:
He is playing like a top25% safety right now, which is a regression from last year and earlier this year.

The entire secondary suffers when they have to overextend themselves.

Holland is literally doing everything and playing all the snaps. Same with X. These guys are being asked to do things that are not their ideal skill sets all the time for the good of the team.

Same with guys like Baker, too, who gets way more crap than he should (he’s not elite but he’s far from our biggest problem).

Jevon Holland should never be expected to make massive splash plays every game as a safety, but we are definitely missing some from him that we would get if Byron Jones, Needham, and Brandon Jones were playing.

We’d definitely see more rest and better play from X if the other lockdown guy was here.

We would definitely see more splashy sacks and stuffs from Baker if he could play downhill and have to do a less cerebral role.

The individuals will all suffer for the good of the team to pick up the slack.

Our defense gets way too much **** on this forum. We are in every game, we haven’t been even close to blown out a single time nor can point to the defense being terrible through the course of an entire game. They have bad moments, they’ve had some questionable alignments (wtf was that prevent in the end zone before half call against Sf?), but they also have made crucial stops, big plays and helped us win some games too.

Although we have been on a 3 game skid, we are playing extremely consistent complimentary football this season. This is the best balance I have personally ever witnessed in 28+ years of watching this team. And the fact that we haven’t lost to any bad teams is the sign of a GOOD team and a well coached one.

We aren’t perfect, but we are trending up and I’m happy with our coaching and direction as a squad.

And Holland, he’ll bounce back even better next year. He’s overextending and so he won’t look as good doing 1.5 peoples job - it’s normal.

Just my two cents
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This. I do think Holland is being asked to do a lot. I believe he was the spy at times versus Buffalo. He had that tremendous stop on one Allen scramble.

My personal take. Just so many injuries in the secondary.
 
They have changed the way they are using him because of injuries and the style of defense.

I found it interesting they used him as a spy on Allen for a lot of the game Saturday, until it started snowing and the Bills needed Allen to run. Great coaching, but I digress.
 
The defense has regressed collectively which has impacted him as well.
 
Durango2020 said:
The defense has regressed collectively which has impacted him as well.
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IDK that we have regressed, other than the injury issues. Both Jones' out, Ogbah out, Needham out.

Those were all key pieces. How much can a unit sustain, and not have a drop off, collectively?
 
Mach2 said:
IDK that we have regressed, other than the injury issues. Both Jones' out, Ogbah out, Needham out.

Those were all key pieces. How much can a unit sustain, and not have a drop off, collectively?
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And hence we regressed. I didn't say why but injuries would be part of it. We definitely had a better defense in the previous seasons. Getting a turnover is a rarity this season.
 
DPhinz_DPhinz said:
What exactly are you looking for when you watch him?
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I am just going by my inutuition, feel, and what's in front of me- I don't have enough technical knowledge for the game to look for things-- just that overall sense a person/fan gets from watching so much, and so intently (though not expertly).
 
Hard to judge this year because he's being asked to do things that aren't his specialty, and to constantly change what he is doing. I still think he's an above average safety with the potential to be a great safety if he's put in a position to succeed.
 
Agree w what everyone has already said. You can see the big play ability there - the pick vs Pitt late, the big tackle the other night. The issue is none of our DBs are making enough big plays and I think the reasons have been well articulated above.

I mean, we have career ST guys playing a lot of defensive snaps. Fedjulluloum and Bethel for example. It has to be tough out there for these guys
 
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