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Aqua4Ever04

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.. to be a playoff contender next year?

My thoughts consist of..

1)Bring in a new QB, preferably Culpepper. Dont let Frerrote ever take a snap again

2) Get rid of Reggie Howard and bring in either Nate Clements or Ty Law

3) Improve the O-Line slightly. Hudson Hauk did a great job and i think he needs maybe 1 or 2 new faces. (not sure who):confused:

4) Build the Defense through the draft. Our defense can still play but is getting old

Those are the moves id like to see happen most in that order. Culpepper and Law are my 2 biggest wishes. Id rather suit up then have Frerrote be our guy again.

Please tell me how you guys feel about these and tell me what you would like to do if you were the man making the decisions :dolphins:

GO FINS!
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
.. to be a playoff contender next year?

My thoughts consist of..

1)Bring in a new QB, preferably Culpepper. Dont let Frerrote ever take a snap again

2) Get rid of Reggie Howard and bring in either Nate Clements or Ty Law

3) Improve the O-Line slightly. Hudson Hauk did a great job and i think he needs maybe 1 or 2 new faces. (not sure who):confused:

4) Build the Defense through the draft. Our defense can still play but is getting old

Those are the moves id like to see happen most in that order. Culpepper and Law are my 2 biggest wishes. Id rather suit up then have Frerrote be our guy again.

Please tell me how you guys feel about these and tell me what you would like to do if you were the man making the decisions :dolphins:

GO FINS!
1-Gus will be back like it or not and unless we get a guy like Carr or Brees he'll still be starting at least early on....I'm almost sure we'll draft a QB...again, unless we get one of those guys in free agency
2-We might get rid of him but don't count on Law or Nate.....Nick wants to build with younger players thru the draft
3-I'm pretty sure now that he'll draft a LT(either 1st or 2nd round)as this is a year with plenty to chose from
4-read #2

Ozzy rules!! :rockon: :guitar:
 
* Law will want too much money just like last year.

* Id say he drafts QB, Wr, OL, CB and LB
 
If we get Culpepper, then everything else is going to be defense and LT and Center. If we can get the center from New orleans and draft the LSU LT, then you just get a role player WR like Josh Reed and get a PR/KR to get some special plays to make us great. on our way.....
 
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Danny said:
1-Gus will be back like it or not and unless we get a guy like Carr or Brees he'll still be starting at least early on....I'm almost sure we'll draft a QB...again, unless we get one of those guys in free agency
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You are 100% correct.
I really don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some fans on here to realize. Typical knee jerk non thinking fans. I see so many posts insinuating that Saban has no clue if he brings back Gus and he ends up starting.

For the hundredth time, you can't fix the mismanagement of our QB situation overnight. Some on here think it's as easy as rubbing a genie lamp and making a wish for a top QB to appear. It's hilarious to read.

I see names being thrown out all over the place as the "easy" solution to our QB problem yet most of those "easy" solutions are QB's that may not be available for instance Carr, how is a QB that may not be available an "easy" solution? :rolleyes:

How bout Culpepper? You've got fans on here tagging Culpepper as our obvious "easy" solution to the qB situation. Culpepper, a guy who not only may not be available but may not even be physically ready to start the season next year yet alone be ready to run and learn a new offense in camp. How is a QB with major physical questions surrounding him an "easy" solution?

Then there are the vets that'll be available like Johnson or Kitna. Sorry, I don't see either as a clear upgrade over Gus. Both are inconsistent as Gus and career up and down QB's both with major weaknesses just like Gus. At least Gus will be in the second year with this offense so I give him the advantage in level of play running this team next year over either of the others. Regardless, with all the questions of any of the other older vets, this clearly is NOT and "easy" solution.

Gus will probably be back, starting and hopefully helping us to groom a talented QB which we drafted for the future.

Other options are that we somehow score Brees or maybe even Schaub could come in and take the job right away. If not get used to seeing Gus. Not because he's a great option, but because he may be the only realistic option we have.

I'm confident Saban will try to upgrade and eventually succeed at upgrading the QB position. He's no miracle worker though and he has to play a horrible hand that he's been dealt. It will take time.
 
We need to build the defense since we were ranked in the 20's in that catergory, not good. We need to get some decent CBs and safetys through FA. As far as QB goes, I would love to have someone like Brees, but it probably won't happen: drafting Cutler is diffenetly an option. Gus wasn't that bad though, he took a 4-12 team to 9-7. If Gus can improve his completion % and 3rd and 7+ passing, we will be a far better team.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
.. to be a playoff contender next year?

My thoughts consist of..

1)Bring in a new QB, preferably Culpepper. Dont let Frerrote ever take a snap again

2) Get rid of Reggie Howard and bring in either Nate Clements or Ty Law

3) Improve the O-Line slightly. Hudson Hauk did a great job and i think he needs maybe 1 or 2 new faces. (not sure who):confused:

4) Build the Defense through the draft. Our defense can still play but is getting old

Those are the moves id like to see happen most in that order. Culpepper and Law are my 2 biggest wishes. Id rather suit up then have Frerrote be our guy again.

Please tell me how you guys feel about these and tell me what you would like to do if you were the man making the decisions :dolphins:

GO FINS!

1. We should get a new QB via draft. I'm not sold on Culpepper. He fumbles a lot and he's probably going to Arizona anyways. And if we have to acquire him through trade, he'll have a hefty salary to pay. Not worth it.

2. Precisely. Couldn't have said it better.

3. Basically just keep doing what he did this year. We could use LeCharles Bentley at C and a few picks at LT and G.

4. We can build the D using non-1st round picks like we usually do. We got Zach, JT, Crowder, Daniels, Madison, and Surtain that way. We can do it again.
 
Trekbiz said:
You are 100% correct.
I really don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some fans on here to realize. Typical knee jerk non thinking fans. I see so many posts insinuating that Saban has no clue if he brings back Gus and he ends up starting.

For the hundredth time, you can't fix the mismanagement of our QB situation overnight. Some on here think it's as easy as rubbing a genie lamp and making a wish for a top QB to appear. It's hilarious to read.

I see names being thrown out all over the place as the "easy" solution to our QB problem yet most of those "easy" solutions are QB's that may not be available for instance Carr, how is a QB that may not be available an "easy" solution? :rolleyes:

How bout Culpepper? You've got fans on here tagging Culpepper as our obvious "easy" solution to the qB situation. Culpepper, a guy who not only may not be available but may not even be physically ready to start the season next year yet alone be ready to run and learn a new offense in camp. How is a QB with major physical questions surrounding him an "easy" solution?

Then there are the vets that'll be available like Johnson or Kitna. Sorry, I don't see either as a clear upgrade over Gus. Both are inconsistent as Gus and career up and down QB's both with major weaknesses just like Gus. At least Gus will be in the second year with this offense so I give him the advantage in level of play running this team next year over either of the others. Regardless, with all the questions of any of the other older vets, this clearly is NOT and "easy" solution.

Gus will probably be back, starting and hopefully helping us to groom a talented QB which we drafted for the future.

Other options are that we somehow score Brees or maybe even Schaub could come in and take the job right away. If not get used to seeing Gus. Not because he's a great option, but because he may be the only realistic option we have.

I'm confident Saban will try to upgrade and eventually succeed at upgrading the QB position. He's no miracle worker though and he has to play a horrible hand that he's been dealt. It will take time.

Yea it would seam obvious to bring back the 30th ranked QB in effeciancy who completes just 51% of his passes.

Why is it so difficult for some fans on this site to realize that Gus is a BACKUP quarterback and will never take a team to the playoffs.

Why do you think he is so special?
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
Yea it would seam obvious to bring back the 30th ranked QB in effeciancy who completes just 51% of his passes.

Why is it so difficult for some fans on this site to realize that Gus is a BACKUP quarterback and will never take a team to the playoffs.

Why do you think he is so special?

I don't think he's special and I've clearly stated so.
If you had read actually read my comments you would have realized this.

The point being made is not that Gus is special.
The point is that the mismanagement of our QB position has put us in this situation. It isn't as "easy" as some of you post to fix such a disaster.

I feel Saban is doing everything he can to fix the QB position. Fact is though that under the circumstances he has to deal with, Gus may in fact still be the best option he has come next year. Reasons why? Go back and read some comments of people trying their best to interject some logic into this discussion.
 
Trekbiz said:
You are 100% correct.
I really don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some fans on here to realize. Typical knee jerk non thinking fans. I see so many posts insinuating that Saban has no clue if he brings back Gus and he ends up starting.

For the hundredth time, you can't fix the mismanagement of our QB situation overnight. Some on here think it's as easy as rubbing a genie lamp and making a wish for a top QB to appear. It's hilarious to read.

I see names being thrown out all over the place as the "easy" solution to our QB problem yet most of those "easy" solutions are QB's that may not be available for instance Carr, how is a QB that may not be available an "easy" solution? :rolleyes:

How bout Culpepper? You've got fans on here tagging Culpepper as our obvious "easy" solution to the qB situation. Culpepper, a guy who not only may not be available but may not even be physically ready to start the season next year yet alone be ready to run and learn a new offense in camp. How is a QB with major physical questions surrounding him an "easy" solution?

Then there are the vets that'll be available like Johnson or Kitna. Sorry, I don't see either as a clear upgrade over Gus. Both are inconsistent as Gus and career up and down QB's both with major weaknesses just like Gus. At least Gus will be in the second year with this offense so I give him the advantage in level of play running this team next year over either of the others. Regardless, with all the questions of any of the other older vets, this clearly is NOT and "easy" solution.

Gus will probably be back, starting and hopefully helping us to groom a talented QB which we drafted for the future.

Other options are that we somehow score Brees or maybe even Schaub could come in and take the job right away. If not get used to seeing Gus. Not because he's a great option, but because he may be the only realistic option we have.

I'm confident Saban will try to upgrade and eventually succeed at upgrading the QB position. He's no miracle worker though and he has to play a horrible hand that he's been dealt. It will take time.
This makes too much sense. Stop using logic. ive tried it before and its dangerous.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
Yea it would seam obvious to bring back the 30th ranked QB in effeciancy who completes just 51% of his passes.

Why is it so difficult for some fans on this site to realize that Gus is a BACKUP quarterback and will never take a team to the playoffs.

Why do you think he is so special?
hes not special. But theres no one better out there for the value Frerotte presents. You can throw stuff out like qb rating because when a qb is smart enough not to take sacks or just throw the ball away when theres nothing there thats all stuff that drags ranking down. Its why Qb ranking is the most meaningless stat in football. You talk like theres going to be stud qbs available all over the place when in fact its a weak draft for qb's with only Leinhart, Cutler..somewhere in rd 2, Croyle and Drew Olsen really worth a darn and a probably as bad a FA market for Qbs. Carr could be an attractive FA Qb if Houston declines his 8m option taht guarantees the 4 years left on his deal. Trade market will there but high priced for Rivers or Schaub.

So really our best bet is to bring Gus back and let him start while a qb (preferably Olsen, Croyle or Cutler if hes available in rd2) develops because unless Carr is available everything else is going to cost us day 1 picks and I dont thin Saban will move any of those picks since he realizes you need them for a cap effective team in this era.
 
You can never get it through my head that the 30th best QB in the league is our best choice. you can BARELY get worse then that. there are QBs that will be available, shoot even Aaron Brooks is an improvement. Gus is the only one who can groom a rookie.
 
Aqua4Ever04 said:
You can never get it through my head that the 30th best QB in the league is our best choice. you can BARELY get worse then that. there are QBs that will be available, shoot even Aaron Brooks is an improvement. Gus is the only one who can groom a rookie.
Aaron Brooks is so much worse then gus its a joke. Aaron Brooks has been surrounded by some of the best offensive talent in the league year in and year out for the last 4-5 years and theres only 1 year he looked good; 2000 when Haslett took over. Since 2001 hes regressed every year despite playing with the likes of Horn, Stallworth, Deuce, and Rw for a few years at the start of the Haslett regime...His OL has been good for the majority of those years. Now hes just a washed up old never was who never will be jack cause hes too colorblind to see that the other team wears a different color jersey. Hes a scrambling version of Aj Feeley who will only drag this team down. Thank freaking god youre not the damn GM. If youre going to make a suggestion for a qb at least make it someone good.

Lastly, Brooks is going to ATL cause Vick is his cousin. Theres no way imo hes going anywhere else knowing what a poop season he just had.
 
Trekbiz said:
You are 100% correct.
I really don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some fans on here to realize. Typical knee jerk non thinking fans. I see so many posts insinuating that Saban has no clue if he brings back Gus and he ends up starting.

For the hundredth time, you can't fix the mismanagement of our QB situation overnight. Some on here think it's as easy as rubbing a genie lamp and making a wish for a top QB to appear. It's hilarious to read.

I see names being thrown out all over the place as the "easy" solution to our QB problem yet most of those "easy" solutions are QB's that may not be available for instance Carr, how is a QB that may not be available an "easy" solution? :rolleyes:

How bout Culpepper? You've got fans on here tagging Culpepper as our obvious "easy" solution to the qB situation. Culpepper, a guy who not only may not be available but may not even be physically ready to start the season next year yet alone be ready to run and learn a new offense in camp. How is a QB with major physical questions surrounding him an "easy" solution?

Then there are the vets that'll be available like Johnson or Kitna. Sorry, I don't see either as a clear upgrade over Gus. Both are inconsistent as Gus and career up and down QB's both with major weaknesses just like Gus. At least Gus will be in the second year with this offense so I give him the advantage in level of play running this team next year over either of the others. Regardless, with all the questions of any of the other older vets, this clearly is NOT and "easy" solution.

Gus will probably be back, starting and hopefully helping us to groom a talented QB which we drafted for the future.

Other options are that we somehow score Brees or maybe even Schaub could come in and take the job right away. If not get used to seeing Gus. Not because he's a great option, but because he may be the only realistic option we have.

I'm confident Saban will try to upgrade and eventually succeed at upgrading the QB position. He's no miracle worker though and he has to play a horrible hand that he's been dealt. It will take time.

While I do agree with most of this post, how would Culpepper be learning a WHOLE new system considering our offensive coordinator just came from Minnesota?
 
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