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The Dolphins have upgraded at running back by agreeing with Knowshon Moreno on a one-year deal. Some tidbits about him, some of which we posted last week:


### Here is what Pro Football Focus said about him entering free agency: "The No. 1 running back [in free agency], almost by default, comes from this year’s Super Bowl runner up. Knowshon Moreno is the only back on this list without injury, workload, or age concerns. This last season Moreno proved that he can produce effectively in an every-down role over the course of the season. In terms of pure ability, there are probably six or seven free agents I’d prefer, but none are proven commodities at this point in time. At just 27years old, and with just 992 career touches to his name, Moreno is sure to have at least a few more productive seasons in his legs before the dreaded running back decline sets in.


"2013 was by far Moreno’s most accomplished as a pro," PFF went on to say. "He set career highs in snaps (724), rushing yards (1,038), receiving yards (548), touchdowns (13), and PFF grade (+9.9). His 241 carries were more the most Moreno’s had in a season since his rookie year and his 60 receptions were a career high by a wide margin. With his rushing (+4.2 grade), pass catching (+7.0 grade), and adequate pass blocking (0.0 grade) ability, Moreno provides the ability to plug and play 600+ snaps immediately."
### But ESPN's Bill Polian said: "Solid contributor but not a No. 1 back. Most of his success from 2013 was a function of the system."


### Moreno is a productive back coming off his best season (1038 yards rushing, 4.3 per carry, 10 rushing touchdowns, 3 receiving touchdowns and 548 receiving yards playing behind a good offensive line and with a Hall of Fame quarterback).
But the metrics suggest he’s not clearly better than Miami’s other backs in breaking tackles.
Last season, Moreno averaged 2.0 yards after contact, which was tied for 39th among 55 backs, according to Pro Football Focus. Who was he tied with? Daniel Thomas, whom Moreno presumably would replace. Lamar Miller was 31st at 2.1.


### Moreno broke or avoided 21 tackles --- the same number as Thomas and one more than Miller, despite having considerably more carries than both. Those 21 were 29th most among running backs. Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch, conversely, had 75 broken or avoided tackles.


### Moreno doesn’t break a lot of long runs, either. He had five carries of 20 yards or more, which tied for 17th, but needed 241 carries to do it. Miller and Thomas each had four such runs in substantially fewer carries --- 177 for Miller, 109 for Thomas.
### Moreno’s 4.3 per carry averaged tied for 21st among 55 backs. By comparison, Miller averaged 4.0, Thomas 3.7.
### PFF ranked Moreno eighth among all running backs as a pass blocker. For perspective, Miller was 33rd, Thomas 34th.
### Moreno had only one fumble in 241 rushing attempts last season. He’s young (26) and coming off his best season, albeit in an offense loaded with talent.


My conclusion? Good move to sign him. He’s a more proven, accomplished back than Thomas, has a better per carry average and is a superior pass protector. A Miller/Moreno tandem is an upgrade over a Miller/Thomas combo.

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Great sig dude...

oh and thanks for the post, too
 
I wasn't all in on signing Moreno but this I agree with

"My conclusion? Good move to sign him. He’s a more proven, accomplished back than Thomas, has a better per carry average and is a superior pass protector. A Miller/Moreno tandem is an upgrade over a Miller/Thomas combo"

I'm with Barry. it's definitely an upgrade and it's just one year but I'd still like to add a power / short yardage guy.
 
Don't know why posters like Barry. He uses PFF on almost every article. :0
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Don't know why posters like Barry. He uses PFF on almost every article. :0
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He doesnt base his views on the bible of pff he uses them to support and contrast his own views
 
I think after Shouwrong all stats based posts are in question :lol:
 
There are some good points, and honestly before I condemn any back on our roster I'd have to see them behind a better line (you know, one that actually opens up a hole or two), with better playcalling, with a FB who is actually a fullback and not a TE who misses blocks for safeties, and a commitment to the running game, but even with all that, there is no stat there that can account for vision and decision-making. Ronnie Brown certainly broke more tackles than Ricky Williams 2.0, and was a better pass blocker, but Ricky knew what he was doing with the football and knew how to get maximum positive yardage (Ronnie only knew how to do so when he took a direct snap). Moreno isn't exceptionally physical but does run hard, and he generally makes good decisions with the football. Though I blame the staff for this, we don't know that about Miller, since they never even gave him 20 carries even when he was on fire, and Philbin's staff taught DT how to run into tacklers trying to make him "physical", thus ruining him.
 
Knowshon possesses the bit of power and pass blocking ability that Lamar Miller lacks, and Lamar Miller possesses the speed and shiftiness to break long runs that Knowshon lacks. I think they are two complimentary backs and I can't wait until we hopefully cut Daniel Thomas a.k.a. Jason Allen 2.0(the running back version).
 
RkyDaMan34 said:
NO! scoring Touchdowns are a key attribute.. Blocking helps though..
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Both is acceptable. People like to claim he broke out with Manning's pass happy O at the helm, but I see that as a positive. Tanne is no Manning now, let's get that off the table, but with Moreno's ability to pass block and our heavy pass 1st O (if trend continues) he should see himself in a similar role. Let's all just hope he produces the same with better breaking of tackles.
 
fishfanmiami said:
The Dolphins have upgraded at running back by agreeing with Knowshon Moreno on a one-year deal. Some tidbits about him, some of which we posted last week:


### Here is what Pro Football Focus said about him entering free agency: "The No. 1 running back [in free agency], almost by default, comes from this year’s Super Bowl runner up. Knowshon Moreno is the only back on this list without injury, workload, or age concerns. This last season Moreno proved that he can produce effectively in an every-down role over the course of the season. In terms of pure ability, there are probably six or seven free agents I’d prefer, but none are proven commodities at this point in time. At just 27years old, and with just 992 career touches to his name, Moreno is sure to have at least a few more productive seasons in his legs before the dreaded running back decline sets in.


"2013 was by far Moreno’s most accomplished as a pro," PFF went on to say. "He set career highs in snaps (724), rushing yards (1,038), receiving yards (548), touchdowns (13), and PFF grade (+9.9). His 241 carries were more the most Moreno’s had in a season since his rookie year and his 60 receptions were a career high by a wide margin. With his rushing (+4.2 grade), pass catching (+7.0 grade), and adequate pass blocking (0.0 grade) ability, Moreno provides the ability to plug and play 600+ snaps immediately."
### But ESPN's Bill Polian said: "Solid contributor but not a No. 1 back. Most of his success from 2013 was a function of the system."


### Moreno is a productive back coming off his best season (1038 yards rushing, 4.3 per carry, 10 rushing touchdowns, 3 receiving touchdowns and 548 receiving yards playing behind a good offensive line and with a Hall of Fame quarterback).
But the metrics suggest he’s not clearly better than Miami’s other backs in breaking tackles.
Last season, Moreno averaged 2.0 yards after contact, which was tied for 39th among 55 backs, according to Pro Football Focus. Who was he tied with? Daniel Thomas, whom Moreno presumably would replace. Lamar Miller was 31st at 2.1.


### Moreno broke or avoided 21 tackles --- the same number as Thomas and one more than Miller, despite having considerably more carries than both. Those 21 were 29th most among running backs. Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch, conversely, had 75 broken or avoided tackles.


### Moreno doesn’t break a lot of long runs, either. He had five carries of 20 yards or more, which tied for 17th, but needed 241 carries to do it. Miller and Thomas each had four such runs in substantially fewer carries --- 177 for Miller, 109 for Thomas.
### Moreno’s 4.3 per carry averaged tied for 21st among 55 backs. By comparison, Miller averaged 4.0, Thomas 3.7.
### PFF ranked Moreno eighth among all running backs as a pass blocker. For perspective, Miller was 33rd, Thomas 34th.
### Moreno had only one fumble in 241 rushing attempts last season. He’s young (26) and coming off his best season, albeit in an offense loaded with talent.


My conclusion? Good move to sign him. He’s a more proven, accomplished back than Thomas, has a better per carry average and is a superior pass protector. A Miller/Moreno tandem is an upgrade over a Miller/Thomas combo.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...pact-of-major-court-ruling.html#storylink=cpy
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How in the world do you expect me to concentrate when I have to look at your sig????????? I literally stopped reading when the sig became seen and stared for about 3 minutes. You got my vote dude. The like wasn't even for the material written.
 
Moreno runs with more passion than I've ever seen from Thomas. Still waiting for the stat on that...
 
If you watched the sack/pressure cutups of the 2013 Dolphins, the fact that he's a credible pass blocker is huge. Miller and DT were both lousy in pass protection.

Look at it this way: he is replacing Daniel Thomas.

Daniel Thomas sucks.
 
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