What if, No Parcells ?

[Cuzinfinny]

Note: if constructive criticism bothers you maybe you should skip this thread.



This post is for people who don't necessarily see BP and Staff as infallible and are not opposed to expressing their own opinions Concerning this years Free Agency.


OK I'll start with the Good:

Carey & Bell: proven Quality

Gibril Wilson: Young quality player

Cameron Wake: great potential but Nobody really knows how he'll adjust to the NFL.......Good gamble............

Channing Crowder.. There's better and worse. but IMO we will need to upgrade at some point....

Jake Grove: a little better then Satele, injury prone and another position we will probably need to up grade in the next couple years.

Joe Berger: Good Backup, who may come in pretty handy considering last years big FA Smiley who also is injury prone.

Eric Green: 2/yrs potentially 6.25 mil. Is this the best we could do ???? scratching my head.

Look I know we are going to get much of our team from the draft but feel that FA should be used to some degree to fill needed positions if the talent is there. And I'm not talking about Emptying the bank.

What did we shore up going into the draft?
still need possibly C, CB, WR, a few LBr, NT.

What have we upgraded ? safety

We are spending a lot of money and gambling on injury prone and backups.

Like to see a little more consideration to signing (a few,not a lot) of starter quality players.Outside of what we had.

Have to say I'm a little disappointed at this stage. But still support our org. and hope my feelings are completely wrong and that the over all plan of BP & co. will work in the end and that that end is still in our life time, but only time will tell.

I wonder, I'm I alone ? ..............Go Fins

 

[Fish-Head]

Truth is, a BP style plan will always make the fans a little nervous because he has such confidence in his own eye for talent. He will almost always go for guys with upside over track record which is why he selects so much from his past... They are guys he knows. Look what we got from raiding Dallas last year... BP does know football players and especially the 'type' that fit what he is trying to do.

While we are all welcome to our opinions, his is the only that matters... and while I agree that Green's signing left my head scratching I will wait until we see what we have there.

Though he has misfired I don't think there is any question that he has proven to be about as good as they get.

 

[Dtronic]

I wonder, I'm I alone ? ..............Go Fins

In the end we all are alone.

That being said, I disagree with your opinion, except for Green. I don't know enough about him.

 

[Cuzinfinny]

In the end we all are alone.

That being said, I disagree with your opinion, except for Green. I don't know enough about him.

Excellent point.

Right up to the "That being Said" part.

I think even you'd have to admit your reasoning leaves a lot to interpretation....

 

[GoonBoss]

The team is upgraded over last year. I don't see the issue.

 

[3Ply Stagliano]

In the couple of games I've seen of Green (on the TV obviously) he's played really well at times and horribly at other times. If he could get some consistency, I think he's got the ability to be a worthwhile contributor.

There does seem to be a lot of stock being put in players' 'potential', looking at some of the players brought in. I guess all we can do is wait and see how they pan out.

I fear the success of last season might be lighting the flames of ridiculous expectation. I don't think Miami can be considered favourites to be AFC East champions next season. While I (of course) hope it doesn't happen, I would not be surprised to see the Phins finish next season with a couple of games' worse record than this season.

I do, however, feel it is a team moving in the right direction in terms of staff, players and building a good foundation for future success. I think some credit for this has to go to Ross and Huizenga for bringing in and keeping the current staff and for not sticking their noses in and imagining they know more than they really do. I can't see Miami suffering the same problems Dallas has if/when Bill Parcells decides to move on.

Anyway, I'm waffling now and should shut up.

 

[shula_guy]

Note: if constructive criticism bothers you maybe you should skip this thread.



This post is for people who don't necessarily see BP and Staff as infallible and are not opposed to expressing their own opinions Concerning this years Free Agency.


OK I'll start with the Good:

Carey & Bell: proven Quality

Gibril Wilson: Young quality player

Cameron Wake: great potential but Nobody really knows how he'll adjust to the NFL.......Good gamble............

Channing Crowder.. There's better and worse. but IMO we will need to upgrade at some point....

Jake Grove: a little better then Satele, injury prone and another position we will probably need to up grade in the next couple years.

Joe Berger: Good Backup, who may come in pretty handy considering last years big FA Smiley who also is injury prone.

Eric Green: 2/yrs potentially 6.25 mil. Is this the best we could do ???? scratching my head.

Look I know we are going to get much of our team from the draft but feel that FA should be used to some degree to fill needed positions if the talent is there. And I'm not talking about Emptying the bank.

What did we shore up going into the draft?
still need possibly C, CB, WR, a few LBr, NT.

What have we upgraded ? safety

We are spending a lot of money and gambling on injury prone and backups.

Like to see a little more consideration to signing (a few,not a lot) of starter quality players.Outside of what we had.

Have to say I'm a little disappointed at this stage. But still support our org. and hope my feelings are completely wrong and that the over all plan of BP & co. will work in the end and that that end is still in our life time, but only time will tell.

I wonder, I'm I alone ? ..............Go Fins

Dont take this personally, but your post is not constructive criticism. You are picking at their moves, which is fine, but you are not offering up any constructive alternatives. You accomplished half the task by pointing out the moves you did not like, can you offer up realistic moves that you would of preferred done instead of those?

Personally I feel like we had a productive FA period. We resigned most of our own. I do think we overpaid slightly to keep them here, but we did what we had too. Along with our resigned players we added another 7 that might not be the flashy big name types, but they were signed to mostly reasonable contracts. They all are young and have years of playing time ahead of them. They might not all turn out to be gold but at least we are treasure hunting, and the duds that we signed arent costing us a fortune to evaluate them. Plus they are bringing competition into camp, which can go a long way into motivating the guys already on the roster to step their game up.

I dont think it is reasonable to expect the staff to hit on every single guy they sign. I try to put some sort of precentage on choices I think they should hit on, but I just cant find a fair way to do it. To me last season it was easy for a competent GM to basically hit on all his picks. Basically we were so devoid of talent, that almost anyone they choose was going to be an upgrade. This season is going to be a little bit harder for them to have as high of a sucess rate. Not immpossible just a little bit harder.

Last year we had a change over of 26 players which is roughly 60% of the roster. This year I read somewhere that Parcells is looking to upgrade 18 players on our current roster. We have made 7 predraft signings, the draft will bring us in another 7-8 players. Thats 15 new faces in camp, even if all 15 hit we are still short 3 players from his goal. If 7 of the 15 work out for us this off season, I think they were sucessfull and noone really has any room to really bash them. I think Wilford is fair to hammer on them from last year. They comitted big money to him and he has not contributed anything so far. It is much easier to excuse small money signings that bust then it is on those bigger ones. They gambled on him and got some egg on their face. I like the fact that they are not afraid to take risks but they also dont get caught up in big risks, one after another. They take a very conservative approach to it. This years gamble players is Gibril Wilson. If he fails they will have egg on their face again.

I think this staff is takeing us in the right direction. They are taking a slow methodical course of action. They have a plan and they are executing it. They are looking to find long term solutions to immeadiate problems. They are building depth. They are not spending big money on flashy names but they are rewarding guys who produce within the system. Our players know that good performances are rewarded with extensions and pay bumps. I feel like this goes a long way in the pysche of all the players on the team. It is a healthy locker room message.

Another aspect of this that I feel is being overlooked by some of our more zealous fans on this site, is that if our staff is doing their homework propperly. Some of these rookies and Fa's we signed last season may well be on their way to becoming impactive players in the future. I am excited to see what Starks, Ferguson, Wake, Bess, etc..... are going to show us this season. I like the philosphy of investing in project players. I hate to cite Tom Brady as an example because it is one that has been beaten to death, but it is a good example of how you find superstars at reasonable salaries in later rounds. I think that is why our staff is so big on later round picks and seem very adament about avoiding the first rd picks. 2nd Rd pick is the value spot. They seem focused on that.

 

[shula_guy]

The team is upgraded over last year. I don't see the issue.

I hate you! It took me 6 paragraphs to write what you summed up in two sentences. Stop that. :err:

 

[Rio]

The Trifecta know what they are doing & are beyond reproach.
Parcells is the finest mind in football & an already legend & NFL Icon.
this is year two of a four year project & we are already, arguably, the biggest come-back story in NFL history. Patience. Enjoy the process. The TaskMaker is going nowhere. Miami is home to the Tuna & the Crown Jewel in his magnificent career.
I honestly believe he will see us through the entire process & celebrate a SuperBowl victory before retiring.

This is his final chapter. It will be well written.:thanks:
BillParcells,Master of FootBall, is Miami Dolphin!


GoFish!:D

 

[Cuzinfinny]

I hate you! It took me 6 paragraphs to write what you summed up in two sentences. Stop that. :err:

Great Guys, " You don't see the issues " , I have to agree with you both there.

Don't want to be the one to try and make you see the issues.

But you want a Name. Try Ken Lucas and forget the 6 mil. spent on Green.

 

[Ferretsquig]

Its fine to critique, but you have no argument to make until you see these guys on the field. Until then this is all speculation.

 

[Cuzinfinny]

Its fine to critique, but you have no argument to make until you see these guys on the field. Until then this is all speculation.

Totally agree with you there. I hope I'm not implying that I know whats going to happen in the end.

Just expressing a concern with some of the moves made and not made. And I realize I'm criticizing a legend so in the end I'll be looking forward to being wrong........

Only time will tell. (Lets see is a three year time limit acceptable, 4 tops )

 

[GoonBoss]

Totally agree with you there. I hope I'm not implying that I know whats going to happen in the end.

Just expressing a concern with some of the moves made and not made. And I realize I'm criticizing a legend so in the end I'll be looking forward to being wrong........

Only time will tell. (Lets see is a three year time limit acceptable, 4 tops )

Your whole attitude is somehow that if you express an anti-Parcells/trifecta opinion, you are the only free thinking Dolphin fan around. We are plenty under the cap, we have a good number of draft picks to use, we have upgraded the team over last year.....Again, I don't see the issue that you are so upset about. I think everyone knew we weren't going to make a huge splash in FA, and, we haven't. We've used it to upgrade the team for a reasonable ammount of cash. Now comes the draft.

Things are going in the right direction, and, I don't think that's a stretch to say.

 

[Rio]

moot

 

[Zounds]

I still don't see the reasoning behind the Berger signing, unless they plan to unload Satele. We don't need 3 centers on our roster, and if Smiley and Thomas come back from injuries, I think we already had good depth at G.

Green was signed over other CB's because he would accept a short contract. I didn't want him, but the short contract pretty much says our FO isn't sure about signing a CB to a long term deal, leading me to believe we will want to groom our own from the draft.