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What Is The Biggest Reason The Dolphins Haven't Won Consistently?

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In my opinion the biggest most glaring issue has been talent evaluation.

This goes back YEARS. Be it terrible draft classes (Ted Ginn, Pat White, Johnathan Martin, Jared Odrick)

Poor free agent signings ( Maxwell, Timmons, J. Legadu NeNe, JuliusThomas, Mike Wallace)

Or

Poor scouting of our own players by either letting talent go (Oliver Vernon, Ted Ginn, Wes Welker) ( our signing and overpaying, (Kiko Alonso, Branch, )

Now before someone gets their panties in a bunch over the me putting Ted Ginn in the "Letting talent go" category let me explain. As a #19 pick he was way over drafted. But as a WR 3 and kickoff returner, he could have been a great asset assuming we could have signed him for #3-4 WR money, not sure what he signed for when he left.

Now with this being said.... I do see some improvements in the draft scouting area. Drake, Howard, Lippett, Tankersly Godchaux, Tayler, have all shown flashes of being able to contribute. This is a step in the right direction.

I think our talent evaluation team has to greatly improve overall if we want get this thing turned around for the long haul.

What do you guys\gals think is the #1 reason for our continued struggles?
 
Did we struggle in 2016?

I don't get what's so hard to understand about 2017. Does 2000-2015 matter?

The only things that need to change are the TE's, OLB, maybe one OG but more importantly the loser mentality that has gripped a lot of Dolphins fans.

The 2017 season has no bearing on 2018 team. The 2018 team will look like the 2016 team but with more leadership.

We are talking about a team in 2017 that despite it dreadful QB play managed to beat both teams that played in the super bowl the year.
 
JTech194 said:
Now before someone gets their panties in a bunch over the me putting Ted Ginn in the "Letting talent go" category let me explain. As a #19 pick he was way over drafted. But as a WR 3 and kickoff returner, he could have been a great asset assuming we could have signed him for #3-4 WR money, not sure what he signed for when he left.
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He was the 9th pick.

I am the biggest Ohio State/Ted Ginn homer on this website. He was a mistake but an irrelevant mistake because you had no QB worth a damn. I would've kept him on the team because he offered something that wasn't coach able.
 
Ginn signed for 3 years 3.5M when he left here, very cheap.
 
The Ghost said:
Did we struggle in 2016?

I don't get what's so hard to understand about 2017. Does 2000-2015 matter?

The only things that need to change are the TE's, OLB, maybe one OG but more importantly the loser mentality that has gripped a lot of Dolphins fans.

The 2017 season has no bearing on 2018 team. The 2018 team will look like the 2016 team but with more leadership.

We are talking about a team in 2017 that despite it dreadful QB play managed to beat both teams that played in the super bowl the year.
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We've struggled for the past 15 years. 2016 included. We made a nice run the latter part of 2016 but we were quickly exposed a fraud's in the first round of the playoffs. Yes 2000-2015 does matter and we've pretty much struggled throughout that entire span. Our most productive years were under Jimmy and Wandstadt. After that's it's been nothing but struggles.

The fanbase takes on the mentality of the team. The fanbase has a loser mentality because the team has been losing.

We need a lot more than a TE, OLB and a G. We need WR's (until proven otherwise) We need a starting caliber FS, we need a starting caliber RB (5 games from Drake isn't enough to prove it to me, and Gore is old) .

And the dreadful QB play goes to my point of poor talent evaluation.
 
Poor drafting. The inability to find quality offensive linemen after the 3rd round. Overpaying in FA to fill needs.
 
The Ghost said:
He was the 9th pick.

I am the biggest Ohio State/Ted Ginn homer on this website. He was a mistake but an irrelevant mistake because you had no QB worth a damn. I would've kept him on the team because he offered something that wasn't coach able.
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Right. Did we over draft him? Sure did, but that does not mean that you MUST get rid of him.... He's already on the team, the mistake was already made... Now it's time to evaluate his talent and see if\how he can help in any way... and pay him accordingly. We either didn't do that, or did do that and came away from that evaluation thinking he didn't have the talent to help the team.
 
I think we're on the up and up with Gase...it's just been a general ****-tacular since 2000-2015.

Wannstedt got us to the playoffs a few years...we had that awesome WC win against Indy, but got murdered by Oakland, got killed by Baltimore in 2001, watched NE pass us by. Our best shot would have been in 2002, but Fiedler busted his thumb, and then our chances went up in smoke with Williams' dope smoking habits...the 2004 season sucked major farts. Pornstache was married to Fiedler, and all of our "upgrades" at QB were terrible...a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley? laff laff laff...Brian Griese wasn't bad at the time, but Wade Smith must have been acting on orders from Wanny to have him taken out in that Indy game...I'm sure he still has nightmares about Dwight Freeney.

Our drafts during that time were awful, save for a few picks like Vernon Carey, Chris Chambers (solid, but not a #1) and Randy McMichael. Most of them were pretty forgettable though, or were traded away, especially the high picks, like the ones that went to NO for RW...or to Philly for AJ Feeley, or to the franchise formerly known as St. Louis for Lamar Gordon after RW bailed. We got Marty Booker too during that time, who wasn't terrible, but not a #1 guy. Our drafting wasn't enough to keep us ahead.

2005 was a mirage, wasn't a bad season I guess...9-7 with Frerotte at QB, things looked good, but then the whole Culpecker over Brees' knee...2006 was a killer D, but our offense sucked moose phallus. Saban obviously didn't want any part of it and saw his midget self as t3h g@wd at Alabaga and jumped ship to those greener pastures...his fetish for drafting SEC players didn't help us out too well.

2007...we had Flanders Cameron as coach. Franchise Reset! Ted Ginn! John Beck! We get a 2nd and 7th for Wes Welker...which really wasn't a bad return...and Samson Satele wasn't a bad pick...I don't think anyone could have forseen the beast mode he would turn into in NE...nonetheless, the rest of the picks were pretty awful in that draft. Trent Green was already pretty much Oatmeal Brains, but he fully became Oatmeal Brains in Houston that year, and we went 1-15..and yeah, that whole experiment ended.

2008-2011..."The TRIFECTAHHH"....We bring in Parcells, and he brings in this whole crew of his guys to run things...Jeff Ireland at GM, Tony Sparano (aka FistPump) at Head Coach. They promptly bring in a bunch of ex-Dallas Cowboys. We draft Chad Henne, Jake Long, Kendall Langford, Phillip Merling, and a few others that first draft, which didn't look too bad...I think Jake Long was the only really "solid" consistent performer, and would have been really good for us for a long time if injuries hadn't done him in. Henne, obviously, is still around, but never materialized into what I think they thought he was going to do....got lucky having Pennington land in our laps in 2008 (thanks Favre), and made the playoffs. Things looked pretty good, but like the Grateful Dead once said..."When life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"...it was true for us, too.

Parcells eventually found golf to be more fun than football, and I think the whole Ross taking over the team from Wayne H really spooked him more than he let on, he disappeared...left the team, and chaos ensued pretty much thereafter...

The drafts were pretty unspectacular, we mired in mediocrity....we got another reset with Philbin, who was better at PowerPoints and posing for re-paints of "American Gothic" than coaching, and the franchise spun its wheels even more deeper into the ground.

He got shitcanned, we hired Gase, and now, here we are today.
 
mrhankey81701 said:
Poor drafting. The inability to find quality offensive linemen after the 3rd round. Overpaying in FA to fill needs.
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I agree. Poor Drafting = Poor Talent Evaluation inability to find quality OLmen = Poor Talent Evaluation Overpaying for a FA = Poor Talent evaluation.
 
IMHO, the biggest issue is two things: lack of a MUTUAL vision on the FO/Coaching personnel, and lack of VOCAL leadership.

Tannehill pre-2016 season wasn't a vocal leader; however, he was a leader as far putting in the work in the meeting room(s) studying film, etc. What struck me as a major positive of good things to come was last year in TC most if not all the players praised Tannehill for becoming more of a vocal leader and then OOOPS he gets injured 2nd week into TC and the season was over at that very moment.

I commend Gase for not having a "sky is falling" mentality. He took a major gamble on Cutler albeit a gamble that failed; but he knew deep down Matt Moore wasn't the answer for the 16 game season.


Things might finally take a turn for the better.
 
CedarPhin said:
I think we're on the up and up with Gase...it's just been a general ****-tacular since 2000-2015.

Wannstedt got us to the playoffs a few years...we had that awesome WC win against Indy, but got murdered by Oakland, got killed by Baltimore in 2001, watched NE pass us by. Our best shot would have been in 2002, but Fiedler busted his thumb, and then our chances went up in smoke with Williams' dope smoking habits...the 2004 season sucked major farts. Pornstache was married to Fiedler, and all of our "upgrades" at QB were terrible...a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley? laff laff laff...Brian Griese wasn't bad at the time, but Wade Smith must have been acting on orders from Wanny to have him taken out in that Indy game...I'm sure he still has nightmares about Dwight Freeney.

Our drafts during that time were awful, save for a few picks like Vernon Carey, Chris Chambers (solid, but not a #1) and Randy McMichael. Most of them were pretty forgettable though, or were traded away, especially the high picks, like the ones that went to NO for RW...or to Philly for AJ Feeley, or to the franchise formerly known as St. Louis for Lamar Gordon after RW bailed. We got Marty Booker too during that time, who wasn't terrible, but not a #1 guy. Our drafting wasn't enough to keep us ahead.

2005 was a mirage, wasn't a bad season I guess...9-7 with Frerotte at QB, things looked good, but then the whole Culpecker over Brees' knee...2006 was a killer D, but our offense sucked moose phallus. Saban obviously didn't want any part of it and saw his midget self as t3h g@wd at Alabaga and jumped ship to those greener pastures...his fetish for drafting SEC players didn't help us out too well.

2007...we had Flanders Cameron as coach. Franchise Reset! Ted Ginn! John Beck! We get a 2nd and 7th for Wes Welker...which really wasn't a bad return...and Samson Satele wasn't a bad pick...I don't think anyone could have forseen the beast mode he would turn into in NE...nonetheless, the rest of the picks were pretty awful in that draft. Trent Green was already pretty much Oatmeal Brains, but he fully became Oatmeal Brains in Houston that year, and we went 1-15..and yeah, that whole experiment ended.

2008-2011..."The TRIFECTAHHH"....We bring in Parcells, and he brings in this whole crew of his guys to run things...Jeff Ireland at GM, Tony Sparano (aka FistPump) at Head Coach. They promptly bring in a bunch of ex-Dallas Cowboys. We draft Chad Henne, Jake Long, Kendall Langford, Phillip Merling, and a few others that first draft, which didn't look too bad...I think Jake Long was the only really "solid" consistent performer, and would have been really good for us for a long time if injuries hadn't done him in. Henne, obviously, is still around, but never materialized into what I think they thought he was going to do....got lucky having Pennington land in our laps in 2008 (thanks Favre), and made the playoffs. Things looked pretty good, but like the Grateful Dead once said..."When life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"...it was true for us, too.

Parcells eventually found golf to be more fun than football, and I think the whole Ross taking over the team from Wayne H really spooked him more than he let on, he disappeared...left the team, and chaos ensued pretty much thereafter...

The drafts were pretty unspectacular, we mired in mediocrity....we got another reset with Philbin, who was better at PowerPoints and posing for re-paints of "American Gothic" than coaching, and the franchise spun its wheels even more deeper into the ground.

He got ****canned, we hired Gase, and now, here we are today.
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ALL I can say is WOW!!!!! That was impressive. You know your shi** :thumbsup
 
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