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what kind of offensive line does philbin want to build?

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I keep hearing that we want linemen that can play the zone. What teams play the zone right now as opposed to lets say heads up run blockers that it looked like seattle won the superbowl with...

if joe wanted to play the zone, who did we have last year that could play it besides pouncy? wouldnt you consider incog and jerry to be big straight ahead blockers that arent going to be pulling that often?
 
No one last year could play zone other than Pouncey. We were lacking so much athleticism on our line especially at the OG position (which is one of the reasons why our screen game was garbage). Its time to revamp this line and get some guys who can run and block at the second level.
 
Lazor, although was the QB coach in philly, they played the zone. So i'm guessing they will probably stick with that. not sure what he ran, when he was OC for University of Virginia.
 
Reminds me alot of (can't remember name of the Martial Arts) that uses opponents own momentum against them. Basically when DT's try to shoot the gap right you turn and shove them even farther to the right oppening up lanes.

Or DE's that like to rush the outside just keep pushing them past the QB with their own speed and momentum.
 
ZBS for sure...it's heavy on Philbin's, Lazor's and Benton's resume.

In before someone attempts a lame gum wrapper and shoe laces joke...
 
I keep hearing that we want linemen that can play the zone. What teams play the zone right now as opposed to lets say heads up run blockers that it looked like seattle won the superbowl with...

if joe wanted to play the zone, who did we have last year that could play it besides pouncy? wouldnt you consider incog and jerry to be big straight ahead blockers that arent going to be pulling that often?

This site has identified which team runs which base scheme both offensively and defensively.
http://www.drafttek.com/teamother.html

Seattle runs what some has described as a pure zone blocking scheme.

If you want to learn more about the ZBS, this is a good place to start.
How to run the zone blocking scheme, as explained by Marshawn Lynch
http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns/2013/6/10/4407902/zone-blocking-scheme-marshawn-lynch

Here is another great read on the ZBS.
The Seahawks run game: Understanding the Zone Blocking Scheme.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-...nch-zone-blocking-scheme-tom-cable/in/5186807
The philosophy

To begin, we must consider the philosophy of the ZBS to be very unorthodox compared to the what the game was originally designed to be. The core of this scheme relies on teamwork and ganging up on defenders rather than specific assignments. It is the reason why it is difficult to draw up a ZBS play, because offensive lineman probably won't know who they will block until they are set at the line of scrimmage. However, this allows the team to predicate how to open up running lanes based on specific looks by the defense; so, whether there are eight guys in the box or six, the trenches are always prepared to do their job.

Another reason the ZBS is successful is due to its balanced nature. Standard offensive lineman are typically asked to either run block and drive the line of scrimmage forward on a play, or pass block and move backwards to form a pocket.

In the ZBS, there is no such distinction, because the most important direction in ZBS for a offensive lineman is laterally in either direction. Having the offensive line either move right and left instead of back and forth forces the defenses to be more attentive in recognizing whether or not the offense is passing or rushing.

ZBS requires a specific type of offensive lineman to work. You can't just be big, you can't just be tall, and you can't just be fat either. Can your center immediately recognize what front the defense is in? How good is your right guard in terms of cut blocking? Does your left tackle have enough athleticism to swing around and get the correct angle on the defensive lineman? All these questions are ones that a coach needs to ask before even trying to implement the scheme. If there aren't any concerns, then it is time to move on teaching them to proper skills.

Tom Cable (Seattle's OL coach) and the Zone Blocking Scheme explained Part I,
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/4/18/2954139/on-tom-cable-and-the-offensive-lines-identity

Tom Cable and the Zone Blocking Scheme explained Part II
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/7/27/3187907/on-tom-cable-and-the-offensive-lines-identity-part-ii

Tom Cable and the Zone Blocking Scheme explained Part III
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/11/15/3647910/zone-blocking-scheme-seahawks-tom-cable-marshawn-lynch

Tom Cable and the Zone Blocking Scheme explained Part IV
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/11/2...nd-the-zone-blocking-scheme-explained-part-iv

LSU Zone Blocking Clinic. This video is almost a hour long.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2013/5/15/4334924/lsu-zone-blocking-clinic/in/5186807
 
First and foremost we need guards that can pull. Watching UVA videos of Lazor's offense (and even Sherman's offense) both pull a lot. Lazor pulls a lot of guards and tackles on pass plays as well. Jerry and Incognito can't pull. Brenner and Garner are better at it, but they need to get stronger (Brenner) and stay healthy (Garner)

The ZBS also relies on being able to move easily. You aren't trying to stand a guy up, but move him. to a side.
 
so what is the realism in thinking that philbin could in 1 year build a zbs line with 1 stater currently on the team?
 
Reminds me alot of (can't remember name of the Martial Arts) that uses opponents own momentum against them. Basically when DT's try to shoot the gap right you turn and shove them even farther to the right oppening up lanes.

Or DE's that like to rush the outside just keep pushing them past the QB with their own speed and momentum.

Aikido and Judo.
 
so what is the realism in thinking that philbin could in 1 year build a zbs line with 1 stater currently on the team?
Chicago rebuilt their line no problem. I draft pick and 4 middle tier FA I think.
 
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