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What kind of offensive scheme would you like to run next season?

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"He put me in positions where he knows I'm comfortable at -- to help the defense by taking the ball away," Bullock told ESPN. "That was the plan the whole week. Let me hover over the middle and just let me go play ball. On my pick, we knew Tua would look away, but once he threw the ball, he really doesn't look where he's throwing it at, so he wouldn't see me the whole time."

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So now you have WRs that have left saying Tua is throwing to spots, and now multiple defenders including this season saying Tua is throwing to places without actually looking.

It's not that crazy it's just a timing based offense. Anticipation is key when you are lacking in arm strength. You can't be the type of QB that sees the field and throws.

So what's a high powered offense look like with Tua?

Requirements:
1. Passing needs to get the ball off quickly to prevent Tua from taking hits.
2. It needs to be anticipatory as Tua cannot throw late/off balance. He does not possess the arm strength.
3. You need the offense to flow through Tyreek and Waddle because they are two of the highest paid WRs in the game.

Now, if you get rid of Tyreek or Waddle, maybe you can think about implementing something else.
 
Depends what kind of OL Grier gives us this coming season, this past season we all knew it was going to be bad. Grier seemed to disagree, said we were more worried about it then them. I wonder if he feels the same way now.
 
There's no question Miami has to make some changes on offense.

I think the key is short-yardage success, which requires better guards and maybe a power runner.

If the Dolphins just made those changes in the offseason, the team would be significantly better.

With more time to throw, the offense wouldn't necessarily have to be so dependent on the timing offense either. We did see Tua make some great off the script plays this year. So, that's in his tool box.

I'd also look for a player, or quarterback who can win on sneaks. I've seen some teams use a tight end.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
There's no question Miami has to make some changes on offense.

I think the key is short-yardage success, which requires better guards and maybe a power runner.

If the Dolphins just made those changes in the offseason, the team would be significantly better.

With more time to throw, the offense wouldn't necessarily have to be so dependent on the timing offense either. We did see Tua make some great off the script plays this year. So, that's in his tool box.

I'd also look for a player, or quarterback who can win on sneaks. I've seen some teams use a tight end.
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IMO, the only way for Miami to get better under Grier and McDaniel would be for Grier to actually find a minimum of five good starting o-linemen that can both power-block and zone-block, along with a big power RB and a big, strong WR. And, he needs to stop with the signing and overpaying of injury-prone players.

I don't believe that McDaniel is ever going to change, so he needs to hire an experienced OC to run the offense, call the plays, and basically manage the game since McDaniel doesn't know how. And, they need to mostly do away with all of his finesse garbage and be able to run a smashmouth type of offense and just use that zone crap sparingly, with no more of those dumb behind the LOS negative plays.

However, Grier will never be able to build a competent o-line, and he is hooked on signing injury-prone players. and McDaniel is too stubborn to give up playcalling, and there's no way that a dweeb like him who can't discipline his players is ever going to want a smashmouth style of football. IOW, Miami is screwed until those two are gone.
 
For the passing game, I want to see if McD can scheme up something that hurts defenses where they're softest. Since he's gotta be here anyway. With the exception of probably 2 defenses in the last 40 years, no defense can shut EVERYTHING down.

As for the running game...just being able to reliably get 1 or 2 yards on 3rd and short would be amazing. We don't have the line for it, sadly.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
There's no question Miami has to make some changes on offense.

I think the key is short-yardage success, which requires better guards and maybe a power runner.

If the Dolphins just made those changes in the offseason, the team would be significantly better.

With more time to throw, the offense wouldn't necessarily have to be so dependent on the timing offense either. We did see Tua make some great off the script plays this year. So, that's in his tool box.

I'd also look for a player, or quarterback who can win on sneaks. I've seen some teams use a tight end.
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Draft Warren and use 2 TE sets more frequently with Warren and Smith. Waddle and especially Hill consistently go in and out of the game, so we do need more weapons.

Add more powerful O-linemen who can move people, prioritize physicality over speed.

Add a physical RB who can gain tough yards.

I am fine with Tua moving around in the pocket and extending plays but he has to be smarter about avoiding contact. It was running upfield that caused him to miss 4 games early in the season and 2 games late in the season.

Warren can also be a shot yardage weapon on QB sneaks and he can be used how the 49ers use Deebo as a runner.
 
Just fix the OL. Then we can all see what type of Qb Tua can be. Giving him more time not only lets him see other options ...

it also gives a second or 1.5 for the speed on offense to be more of a factor.
I'm just asking to give the QB time to blink before he's scrambling.

When that happens, the running game happens. When those two are happening ... well, it should be everything Tua (or any system QB) to be successful more often than not.
Should only come down to execution.

I don't see a scheme change with the group we have as an answer.

The scheme is fine if you fix the foundation. The plays just have to come in faster. :cheers: ... I know, I know .... :dead:
 
VAFinsfan72 said:
Draft Warren and use 2 TE sets more frequently with Warren and Smith. Waddle and especially Hill consistently go in and out of the game, so we do need more weapons.

Add more powerful O-linemen who can move people, prioritize physicality over speed.

Add a physical RB who can gain tough yards.

I am fine with Tua moving around in the pocket and extending plays but he has to be smarter about avoiding contact. It was running upfield that caused him to miss 4 games early in the season and 2 games late in the season.

Warren can also be a shot yardage weapon on QB sneaks and he can be used how the 49ers use Deebo as a runner.
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I think that would be the perfect way to go. It's a sneaky good tight end class, but Warren can do so much.

I don't believe Miami has ever drafted a tight end in the 1st, and that would really surprise me.

More and more teams are valuing the position, though. Look what it's done for Josh Allen in Buffalo.
 
Loyd Christmas said:
Fix the guard position. Bring in a power running game that can run when you have to run. One of the biggest issues with our offense is we can’t run to pick up short yardage and inside the red zone. Fix that, and a lot of things will take care of themselves
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Exactly! And, this is why I hate Grier and McDaniel. You'd think that every competent GM and HC would want a strong running game, but these two knuckleheads don't see it as being important... idiots! :bobdole:
 
Sticky Gloves said:
"He put me in positions where he knows I'm comfortable at -- to help the defense by taking the ball away," Bullock told ESPN. "That was the plan the whole week. Let me hover over the middle and just let me go play ball. On my pick, we knew Tua would look away, but once he threw the ball, he really doesn't look where he's throwing it at, so he wouldn't see me the whole time."

www.espn.com

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As Houston prepares for its divisional round matchup with the Kansas City Chiefs, Ryans has his defense playing at its best.
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So now you have WRs that have left saying Tua is throwing to spots, and now multiple defenders including this season saying Tua is throwing to places without actually looking.

It's not that crazy it's just a timing based offense. Anticipation is key when you are lacking in arm strength. You can't be the type of QB that sees the field and throws.

So what's a high powered offense look like with Tua?

Requirements:
1. Passing needs to get the ball off quickly to prevent Tua from taking hits.
2. It needs to be anticipatory as Tua cannot throw late/off balance. He does not possess the arm strength.
3. You need the offense to flow through Tyreek and Waddle because they are two of the highest paid WRs in the game.

Now, if you get rid of Tyreek or Waddle, maybe you can think about implementing something else.
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The league has obviously caught onto McD's and Tua's little sideshow. I think building an offensive line is paramount if they want to have any success. I would also draft/trade for, or sign a free agent RB that can pound the ball. Establish the run game to set up the pass like they did in the old days. Achane is nice change of pace back, but they need a bruiser. Now I know that is a pipe dream as McD has not shown the capacity to change or adjust to defenses or stick with the running game.
 
Run the ****ing football more. Need two new starting guards.

If the other defense is on its heels guessing run vs pass, it would do Tua wonders to play off the run.

Let the OC call plays. McD can build the game plan but let him concentrate on all the moving parts of the game rather than being distracted looking at his play sheet.
 
Sticky Gloves said:
I think they should bring in a backup for 3rd and 1. It's very advantageous to have a QB that can sneak. Very jealous of what Hurts can do.
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Not a bad idea. I think they did that with The Brisket when he was here, but dont recall him having much luck.
 
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