What position group would you sacrifice for a better OL?

[NBP81]

*This is just for the poll, just vote and resume the OL debate in associated threads.

With the team as built/coached... Which position group you'd like the Fins to invest less in in order to bolster the OL?

You've got 2 selectable options.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Punter

 

[NBP81]

Punter

You just made me pour a glass... mother******

 

[JamesWsenior]

I like the WR vote. We have only 4 now so let's get rid of more.

 

[djphinfan]

Rhetorical question :)


Its a great point to understand that interior line is probably the unit that you would sacrifice if you have to.


But, Not sure we have enough data to suggest that it’s the right way.


I believe at this point that Tua contrary to a lot of narratives. Tua can elevate any level of receiver to look better than they are.


There is two sides to this debate NP and it’s all Tua skill set centric

1) If you give Tua even a normal amount of time to throw we know that he would just tear you apart.

2) don’t give him a normal amount of time and he will for the most part tear you apart as well, except, that line we talk about has to execute in some critical situations against good to great teams ya know?


And that variance, that part of the game can possibly destroy all strategies

 

[E30M3]

I like it. And public!

I voted WR and Edge. I think we are too spoiled at WR and didn't need to extend Hill. We could have drafted and/or brought in a slightly less talented receiver for better OL. Edge I think we are loaded on once Chubb comes back also.

 

[Avigatorx]

I like the WR vote. We have only 4 now so let's get rid of more.

Not fewer WRs, spend less on them.

 

[JamesWsenior]

Not fewer WRs, spend less on them.

Are we over the cap?

 

[eMCee85]

Very good question. We really aren't particularly deep at any position to give up much for the o line. But If I had to choose, I would give up one safety and one RB. This is a really good question NBP. Hopefully good debates in here

 

[PhinFan1968]

I voted RB, and here's why.

Comparing IOL to RB, the way I look at it, as they're both very scheme dependent for who you're looking for...and there's an imbalance there. If you bring in scheme-fit guys on the IOL, they're not as robust in pass blocking...nor are they built for a power run game.

If you bring in scheme-fit RBs, they're perfect for the confusing stuff and getting out on the edge, but they won't be successful at power running because the line can't support it.

Everything starts at the line (this is nothing new, but it gets forgotten often). A good line can make an average RB look good/great, and bad line can make a good RB look inept. Its far easier to replace an RB or two than it is to replace two good IOL.

That could fail miserably for all I know...that's just how I see it. It would require the team to shift some emphasis off of the ZBS I think to really have an impact.

 

[Avigatorx]

Are we over the cap?

No, but if we need the cap space for oline id pay Waddle less money or get a replacement.

 

[NBP81]

But, Not sure we have enough data to suggest that it’s the right way.

We have no data actually... No one's ever tried that deeper faster **** ever... Tom did it once with the Bucs... but that's it.

1) If you give Tua even a normal amount of time to throw we know that he would just tear you apart.

This is easier said than done... while McDaniel has been here for 2 seasons, I'm seeing alot of posts complaining about the last 20 years OL... Wanting a normal amount of time and allowing it are 2 very different things. At some point, one realizes that good OL play is scarce and expensive and stumbles on a dude that can make them look better. 2+2

2) don’t give him a normal amount of time and he will for the most part tear you apart as well, except, that line we talk about has to execute in some critical situations against good to great teams ya know?

Meh... the "can't beat the good teams" thing is irrelevant to me... 11-6 is 11-6... I wouldnt feel better if they got swept by the Jets and beat the Ravens and Eagles instead...

 

[SamIam]

The correct answer is TE

 

[Avigatorx]

I voted RB, and here's why.

Comparing IOL to RB, the way I look at it, as they're both very scheme dependent for who you're looking for...and there's an imbalance there. If you bring in scheme-fit guys on the IOL, they're not as robust in pass blocking...nor are they built for a power run game.

If you bring in scheme-fit RBs, they're perfect for the confusing stuff and getting out on the edge, but they won't be successful at power running because the line can't support it.

Everything starts at the line (this is nothing new, but it gets forgotten often). A good line can make an average RB look good/great, and bad line can make a good RB look inept. Its far easier to replace an RB or two than it is to replace two good IOL.

That could fail miserably for all I know...that's just how I see it. It would require the team to shift some emphasis off of the ZBS I think to really have an impact.

I was gonna add RB as well, but we could only pick 3 position groups.

Luckily though, we arent really spending a lot on RB right now. That will change in a couple of years when Achane and Wright are due for a payday.

 

[NBP81]

I voted RB, and here's why.

Comparing IOL to RB, the way I look at it, as they're both very scheme dependent for who you're looking for...and there's an imbalance there. If you bring in scheme-fit guys on the IOL, they're not as robust in pass blocking...nor are they built for a power run game.

If you bring in scheme-fit RBs, they're perfect for the confusing stuff and getting out on the edge, but they won't be successful at power running because the line can't support it.

Everything starts at the line (this is nothing new, but it gets forgotten often). A good line can make an average RB look good/great, and bad line can make a good RB look inept. Its far easier to replace an RB or two than it is to replace two good IOL.

That could fail miserably for all I know...that's just how I see it. It would require the team to shift some emphasis off of the ZBS I think to really have an impact.

I agree wholeheartedly... Problem is... A good guard is worth 4x more than a good RB... Robert Hunt just got 20M per... Saving at RB for OL is like making your own coffee instead of going to starbucks to save for a 350 000$ sports car.