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I was researching those so called "second tier QB's" that Miami will most likely end up with and I started thinking about the state of the NFL's starters.

Of the 29 teams who have a clear starter as of now (KC, MIA, OAK are too up in the air)
17 of those QB's were selected in the first round.
3 were drafted in round 2. Favre, Brees, Tarvaris Jackson
3 were drafted in round 3. Frye, Simms, Schaub
3 were drafted in round 6. Hasselbeck, Bulger, Brady
3 were undrafted. Romo, Kitna, Delhomme.

NYJ - 1st
BUF - 1st
CIN - 1st
BAL - 1st
PIT - 1st
JAX - 1st
IND - 1st
TEN - 1st
DEN - 1st
SD - 1st
NYG - 1st
WAS - 1st
PHI - 1st
CHI - 1st
ATL - 1st
SF - 1st
ARI - 1st

GB - 2nd/1st waiting in the wings
NO - 2nd
MIN - 2nd

HOU - 3rd
TB - 3rd
CLE - 3rd

SEA - 6th
NE - 6th
STL - 6th

CAR - Undrafted
DAL - Undrafted
DET - Undrafted (Selecting a 1st?)

OAK - ? (Selecting a 1st?)
KC - ? Green 8th/Croyle 3rd/Huard Undrafted
MIA - ? / Culpepper 1st

If you are a Dolphin fan looking for a QB in this draft, you may have to hope for Quinn based upon these statistics. I've been back and forth myself. He is the "sexy" pick we all hope falls to number 9. But I've been watching NFL network the last couple of days and the more I see of Quinn in interviews, the less impressed I am. And the more I see of his "highlights" the less difference I can see between him and those "second tier" QB's. I trust Cam and Randy to take "their guy" this Saturday.
 
What has he said that's less than impressed you? He seemed appreciative at Cam Cameron's tactics when it came to testing him for frigid Northeast weather.
 
I have been thinking about this a lot lately as well, how many successful quarterbacks have been drafted in the second round?

Aside from Brees, Jackson hasn't really had a lot of success yet and the Jets have Kellen Clemens waiting to prove himself. From all accounts Brodie Croyle hasn't shown a lot for the Chiefs as of yet (although he hasn't had much of a chance).

There are some good prospects in round two and three, but I still think our best bet is trading up to get Quinn.
 
Nice research! time we invested in a big time QB dont u say
 
Jaj said:
What has he said that's less than impressed you? He seemed appreciative at Cam Cameron's tactics when it came to testing him for frigid Northeast weather.
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I agree all the interviews i have seen of him make me want him that much more. He has that IT Factor you look for in a QB. Also, he was the only player at the Draft (green room on Saturday) That was taking notes.

I would love to get him
 
However, I must commend you and say that is great research, I was going to do that, However Heres some more statistics:
Mode (Most Occuring)- 1st round
Mean (Average)- about round 2.5 (However the outliers of the undrafted free-agents pulled the average to the left so with out out liers it would be more like 1.7)
Median (the middle most number)- 1st round

I hope this makes sense to the vast majority of you guys, I tried my best to put it in layman's terms.
 
PhinfanUK said:
I have been thinking about this a lot lately as well, how many successful quarterbacks have been drafted in the second round?

Aside from Brees, Jackson hasn't really had a lot of success yet and the Jets have Kellen Clemens waiting to prove himself. From all accounts Brodie Croyle hasn't shown a lot for the Chiefs as of yet (although he hasn't had much of a chance).

There are some good prospects in round two and three, but I still think our best bet is trading up to get Quinn.
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the problem is its wrong to generalize like that...

you cant say well there aren't many successful 2nd Round QBs in the league right now, because that has nothing to do with the QBs in this draft... its about the players themselves period, stereotyping a player because of what round hes drafted, or what college he comes from is foolish...

people said, "oh all Penn State running backs bust in the NFL", then Larry Johnson comes along...

tis not about what happened in the past, its only the individual players in this draft that matter... dont use the past to try to judge who these players will do, every player is different every year, they will make their own place regardless of past trends...
 
arsenal said:
the problem is its wrong to generalize like that...

you cant say well there aren't many successful 2nd Round QBs in the league right now, because that has nothing to do with the QBs in this draft... its about the players themselves period, stereotyping a player because of what round hes drafted, or what college he comes from is foolish...

people said, "oh all Penn State running backs bust in the NFL", then Larry Johnson comes along...

tis not about what happened in the past, its only the individual players in this draft that matter... dont use the past to try to judge who these players will do, every player is different every year, they will make their own place regardless of past trends...
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Or to say what you just said in a much shorter way.

Every draft is different, even if there were zero second round QB's successful up to this point wouldn't mean these guys can't be successful.

Oh and I agree with you more than 100%.....more like 900%

Oh and one great example is Colston. I bet if you looked it up there are very few if any great 7th round receivers in the NFL. However that doesn't mean there can't be, and there was one.
 
His'nBeatYour'n said:
I was researching those so called "second tier QB's" that Miami will most likely end up with and I started thinking about the state of the NFL's starters.

Of the 29 teams who have a clear starter as of now (KC, MIA, OAK are too up in the air)
17 of those QB's were selected in the first round.
3 were drafted in round 2. Favre, Brees, Tarvaris Jackson
3 were drafted in round 3. Frye, Simms, Schaub
3 were drafted in round 6. Hasselbeck, Bulger, Brady
3 were undrafted. Romo, Kitna, Delhomme.

NYJ - 1st
BUF - 1st
CIN - 1st
BAL - 1st
PIT - 1st
JAX - 1st
IND - 1st
TEN - 1st
DEN - 1st
SD - 1st
NYG - 1st
WAS - 1st
PHI - 1st
CHI - 1st
ATL - 1st
SF - 1st
ARI - 1st

GB - 2nd/1st waiting in the wings
NO - 2nd
MIN - 2nd

HOU - 3rd
TB - 3rd
CLE - 3rd

SEA - 6th
NE - 6th
STL - 6th

CAR - Undrafted
DAL - Undrafted
DET - Undrafted (Selecting a 1st?)

OAK - ? (Selecting a 1st?)
KC - ? Green 8th/Croyle 3rd/Huard Undrafted
MIA - ? / Culpepper 1st

If you are a Dolphin fan looking for a QB in this draft, you may have to hope for Quinn based upon these statistics. I've been back and forth myself. He is the "sexy" pick we all hope falls to number 9. But I've been watching NFL network the last couple of days and the more I see of Quinn in interviews, the less impressed I am. And the more I see of his "highlights" the less difference I can see between him and those "second tier" QB's. I trust Cam and Randy to take "their guy" this Saturday.
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Really, my TV never leaves the NFL station. The more I see of his interviews, the more impressed I am. He shows intelligence, confidence, leadership, and knowledge in ALL of his interviews (He knows how to publicly speak and he sounds intelligent unlike 95% of the draftees interviewed - I also didnt know he was a double major in Business and Politics so you know he has good rationalization and decision making abilities) and those are characteristics that make a starting QB. His career stats of 95 TD and 37 INT with 11,500 passing yards averaging 24 TD's, 9 INTS and 2,850 yards per season isnt impressive to you?
 
Very good research. I think many people were thinking about it, but hadn't put the effort into actually doing the research. Kind of a side note too -- Brees was the first pick in the second round. So, while he was technically a 2nd round pick, he was as close to a 1st round pick as you can get.

I'm really torn on this issue. I've been back and forth -- get Quinn at all costs (hopefully he would fall and we wouldn't have to give up anything to get him) or wait until the second round and pick up one of the "second-tier" guys, whilst using the first to pick a stud lineman or WR.
 
I think that any QB drafted in the 1st or 2nd round can make a "franchise" QB if he's smart enough and is willing to learn -- and here's the biggie -- gets good QB coaching. Too many of these kids, especially the ones with the big arms and tons of raw talent who are drafted at the top of the draft, are just allowed to get by on their raw talent like they did in college rather than being forced to learn good funadmentals, self discipline, and good decision-making. Good QB coaches make good QBs.

I think that the Fins have a good chance at getting a "franchise" QB in this year's draft, whether they take Quinn or one of the less polished QBs in the later rounds, because Cameron has developed two good ones: Brees and Rivers. I think it's less about where a QB is drafted than about how he's coached.
 
Thats not a very good way to look at it. First round picks are more often the starters not only because of their performance but because of the money tied up in them. If a 6th round pick had the rookie season of Alex Smith or JP Losman he would of been cut. Give a guy 60 mil and there is an incentive to develop him. In fact there are more guys selected in the 6th round or lower that have had 3+ productive years in the league than first rounders. At least half of those first rounders won't be starting in a couple years.
 
lets not give up a bunch of players to get one-im tired of trading up and landing up with less-example ricky williams trade and others the past few years that rob us of potntial young talent-just pick the best player available DO NOT MOVE UP!
 
Sorry but I think Cam waits till Sunday for are QB with so many good QB's in the draft someone will fall to the 4th round! Are GM has takeing QB's lower then most GM's if you look at his history, and did dam good to! Marc Balger in the 6th round in 2000, is one where he had the finel decisions. But two in the 6th round J.T.O'Sullivan from California-Davis is the other in 2002. So to me J.T. has not had the chance to prove himself, but Balger did and is good as they come at the QB position! You could say he is 50ty-50ty in the 6th round and alot of very good QB's this year, so one will drop to the 4th round.
 
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