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I'm a Nick Saban fan - although he's not above reproach. There's plenty of mistakes I think he's made though some may not turn out to be as consequential as others (some were drafting mistakes - taking Allen over Lawson, imo).

But, the one area I think put more pressure on him and the team is by starting Daunte. Up to this point, He should have started Harrington the entire year, b/c he was healthy. And, if the Dolphins were still 1-4, there would not be so much heat put on him - after all, the Dolphins would have been without their starting QB.

Of course, it may be Harrington's play would have one a game or two and they would be 2-3 or 3-2. Hard to tell. I think we'll know more about Harrington after the next two games.

But, there would not have been the high expectations with a #2 QB in there.

At this point, I think the Dolphins only hope at salvaging the season is to win the next two going into the Bye week. We lose one of those games, and we're dead - with very tough games coming against the Bears, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, the Patriots, at Buffalo in Dec, plus Minn and KC, it will be very difficult to avoid losing a couple of those games.

My suspicion is that this week will be a very close and higher scoring than expected game. The Jets offense tends to do well against Miami and I look for them to spring back. And, I think Harrington will improve and that we will put up 21 points or so.
 
i guarantee that if you had someone like daunte coming back from an injury cleared by the doctors you would have played him
hind sight is always 20/20
we coulda done this we coulda done that well we can't do anything about that so lets look to the future and see what we can do to become a dominant football team again
 
ItsOurTime32 said:
i guarantee that if you had someone like daunte coming back from an injury cleared by the doctors you would have played him
hind sight is always 20/20
we coulda done this we coulda done that well we can't do anything about that so lets look to the future and see what we can do to become a dominant football team again
:yeahthat:

I don't think there's any way you go with Joey if Daunte is cleared to play and you feel he is healthy.

Remember Joey was brought in to be the back-up in case Daunte couldn't start the season. So if they felt he was ready to go.. Maybe he wasn't, but as stated above, it's allways easy to second-guess..
 
I just remember seeing alot of training camp practices and pre season games where Harrington outplayed Culpepper. It wasn't even close.
 
oh well people make mistakes.. im pretty sure your life isnt perfect nor is anyone elses. Nick Saban is only human!! why doesnt anyone understand that?! I know if I was Saban and i had a guy like Culpepper coming back from injury, w/ the offensive weapons around him (and before McKinney got hurt), I would have started him too. You have to go back and look at the other stuff.. if Allen wouldnt have held out he would probably be better then Manny Lawson right now.. if McKinney didnt get hurt, would Culpepper have been sacked 23 times so far, I doubt it. Im getting tired of everyone blaming Nick Saban for the 1-4 start.. remember it takes more then one year for a head coach to build a team he likes, but for some reason i think Miami fans tend to forget that.. i mean we gave Brian Griese 1 year, Gus Frerotte 1 year, Jay Fiedler 2-3 years.. we have to be more patient or we'll never get back to form like we were in the 70s/80s. Look Lovie Smith of the Bears suffered through like what 4 losing seasons and he bounces back with a 11-5 record i believe it was last year and 5-0 record thus far... you have to be patient when it comes to players.
 
MiaDolph99 said:
oh well people make mistakes.. im pretty sure your life isnt perfect nor is anyone elses. Nick Saban is only human!! why doesnt anyone understand that?! I know if I was Saban and i had a guy like Culpepper coming back from injury, w/ the offensive weapons around him (and before McKinney got hurt), I would have started him too. You have to go back and look at the other stuff.. if Allen wouldnt have held out he would probably be better then Manny Lawson right now.. if McKinney didnt get hurt, would Culpepper have been sacked 23 times so far, I doubt it. Im getting tired of everyone blaming Nick Saban for the 1-4 start.. remember it takes more then one year for a head coach to build a team he likes, but for some reason i think Miami fans tend to forget that.. i mean we gave Brian Griese 1 year, Gus Frerotte 1 year, Jay Fiedler 2-3 years.. we have to be more patient or we'll never get back to form like we were in the 70s/80s. Look Lovie Smith of the Bears suffered through like what 4 losing seasons and he bounces back with a 11-5 record i believe it was last year and 5-0 record thus far... you have to be patient when it comes to players.

I agree 100% with your post man. Honestly how many mistakes did Wanny make that set our team back right now? tons of them! Wanny had a team built for him before he came in as head coach and what did he do? slowly and progressively make it worse and worse. Saban is still trying to figure out what is going to work and what is not going to work for his team and it's going to take some time. I gurentee next year we won't be trading away any more picks and we will replenish our roster with some top quality talent and FA aquisitions to make our team better. This is just part of the process to figure out who's going to be on our team and make us that much better.
 
Furious Yellow said:
:yeahthat:

I don't think there's any way you go with Joey if Daunte is cleared to play and you feel he is healthy.
If they practiced like they were playing a game, it would have been quite evident he wasn't ready instead of the no contact practice. Its no wonder it takes half the games to get it together.
 
I gurentee next year we won't be trading away any more picks and we will replenish our roster with some top quality talent and FA aquisitions to make our team better.

PHINPHAN0202: this is precicely what saban was supposed to NEVER
do according to fans when he was named coach!

and everyone said that is what would happen after last year and
what happened? worst draft maybe ever for miami and pretty
much all his free agents are busts!

as you said, he is TRYING TO FIGURE OUT what works for this team
and what doesnt. so was wanny!! for 5 years!!

we needed a guy who knew what to do and wasnt "learning"!

once again, wayne huizenga was fooled by hype and payed an
enormous sum to get it!!

his biggest blunder was not hireing a TRUE GM who had control
over the head coach and the draft. you dont hand a COLLEGE
COACH that much responsability.

everyone needs to read the pointed article in todays sun sentinel
by dave hyde about the current state of the saban regime entitled
"SABAN ERA NOTED FOR ITS ERRORS".

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/


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It is unacceptable that Miami be 1 and 4, whatever the reason. Saban has made plenty of mistakes - drafting, signing and not-resigned certain players..
Foremost, he has not upgraded his defensive backfield and his offensive line, two glaring problems at this point. We trusted him in the beginning, but we could all see that the players he brought in are not necessarily an upgrade from the players they replaced. He's not as sharp as we thought he'd be.. and can we get Jimmy back to run the draft please.
 
MiaDolph99 said:
oh well people make mistakes.. im pretty sure your life isnt perfect nor is anyone elses. Nick Saban is only human!! why doesnt anyone understand that?! I know if I was Saban and i had a guy like Culpepper coming back from injury, w/ the offensive weapons around him (and before McKinney got hurt), I would have started him too. You have to go back and look at the other stuff.. if Allen wouldnt have held out he would probably be better then Manny Lawson right now.. if McKinney didnt get hurt, would Culpepper have been sacked 23 times so far, I doubt it. Im getting tired of everyone blaming Nick Saban for the 1-4 start.. remember it takes more then one year for a head coach to build a team he likes, but for some reason i think Miami fans tend to forget that.. i mean we gave Brian Griese 1 year, Gus Frerotte 1 year, Jay Fiedler 2-3 years.. we have to be more patient or we'll never get back to form like we were in the 70s/80s. Look Lovie Smith of the Bears suffered through like what 4 losing seasons and he bounces back with a 11-5 record i believe it was last year and 5-0 record thus far... you have to be patient when it comes to players.

Oh come on. I'm a Saban supporter and have pointed out all the things that have gone wrong. Of course I've made mistakes - but, I'm also not getting paid $5 million per year. Sorry to say, but when you make that much, you better do a better job than 99.9% of the rest of the world and pretty much better than 95% of those in your own profession! You can't make those kinds of mistakes at this level. He's paid not to.

Yes, Hindsight is 20/20 as another poster noted - but, there were pundits saying Daunte should not be starting, even at the start of the season. And, they only get paid a couple hundred thou/year!

The fact is, as someone else pointed out very clearly, if Daunte played in practice the way he's played in games (very slow movement, in ability to move laterally away from the rush, very slow to decide when to throw the ball) he should not have started. That's basically the rationale Saban is using right now and it's five games too late. I think Saban drank the coolaid and lost some objectivity. And, I'm not bashing Nick - as I think he is a good coach and should get a 3 year window. But, there are signs of chinks in the Saban armor coming along here. His defense is the oldest in the NFL and will need revamping and the offense, with the O-line we have, is at rock bottom in the NFL. We're 28th in the League - and we're averaging only 4/10ths of a point per game better than the Raiders (12.2 to 11.8!) who have to be the worst team and the worst offense in the league in years. And, that is against the weakest part of our schedule.

And, don't take this as a "bashing Daunte" post. I was supportive of Culpepper starting. I think he will ultimately be better than Harrington. But, given his physical conditioning, Saban would have been better off starting Harrington - that was a critical mistake given the evidence, imo.
 
Kadiddlehopper said:
If they practiced like they were playing a game, it would have been quite evident he wasn't ready instead of the no contact practice. Its no wonder it takes half the games to get it together.

Exactly.
 
Pompy said:
I just remember seeing alot of training camp practices and pre season games where Harrington outplayed Culpepper. It wasn't even close.

Wow, are you serious? I went to about 3 of them and Culpepper always outplayed Harrington by ALOT. Harrington kepts getting picked. Culpepper looked smooth. When your franchise quaterback looks good in training camo and cleared to play, you arent going to start a backup.
 
Bingo!

MiaDolph99 said:
oh well people make mistakes.. im pretty sure your life isnt perfect nor is anyone elses. Nick Saban is only human!! why doesnt anyone understand that?! I know if I was Saban and i had a guy like Culpepper coming back from injury, w/ the offensive weapons around him (and before McKinney got hurt), I would have started him too. You have to go back and look at the other stuff.. if Allen wouldnt have held out he would probably be better then Manny Lawson right now.. if McKinney didnt get hurt, would Culpepper have been sacked 23 times so far, I doubt it. Im getting tired of everyone blaming Nick Saban for the 1-4 start.. remember it takes more then one year for a head coach to build a team he likes, but for some reason i think Miami fans tend to forget that.. i mean we gave Brian Griese 1 year, Gus Frerotte 1 year, Jay Fiedler 2-3 years.. we have to be more patient or we'll never get back to form like we were in the 70s/80s. Look Lovie Smith of the Bears suffered through like what 4 losing seasons and he bounces back with a 11-5 record i believe it was last year and 5-0 record thus far... you have to be patient when it comes to players.

You nailed it! Great post!
 
Redneck Friend said:
PHINPHAN0202: this is precicely what saban was supposed to NEVER
do according to fans when he was named coach!

and everyone said that is what would happen after last year and
what happened? worst draft maybe ever for miami and pretty
much all his free agents are busts!

as you said, he is TRYING TO FIGURE OUT what works for this team
and what doesnt. so was wanny!! for 5 years!!

we needed a guy who knew what to do and wasnt "learning"!

once again, wayne huizenga was fooled by hype and payed an
enormous sum to get it!!

his biggest blunder was not hireing a TRUE GM who had control
over the head coach and the draft. you dont hand a COLLEGE
COACH that much responsability.

everyone needs to read the pointed article in todays sun sentinel
by dave hyde about the current state of the saban regime entitled
"SABAN ERA NOTED FOR ITS ERRORS".

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/


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