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Which current Dolphins do you see as part of a long range nucleus?

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The personnel on the Dolphins is an utter mess. Let's not sugar coat the disaster moron number one (Wannstedt) and moron number two (Saban) have left in Miami.

The roster obviously is nowhere near capable of being a contender. It is possible that some of the aging stars (i.e., Taylor, Thomas) and some stopgap veterans (e.g., Culpepper, Chambers, McMike, Shelton, Will Allen, Carter et al.) could help win some games over the next couple of years. But these guys are not going to be a part of a championship team in Miami, and that is what we all want.

This team is likely 3-4 years from developing a solid core. I hope we can develop an all around nucleus like San Diego, Indpls, and Chicago have built. To do that we will need to build through the draft. Now that we have a general manager bifurcated from the coaching staff, hopefully the coach's conflict of interest (immediate gratification) will now be supersceded by the best interests of the organization.

So, who on the current roster will be part of what we hope is a championship core in say 3-4 years? I don't see many. On offense there are Ronnie Brown and Vernon Carey. Maybe Hadnot if he develops further. Perhaps Hagan will develop into a number 2 receiver although that seems unlikely. We've all heard about Alabi's promise but I think we'll all believe it when we see it. Don't say Chambers and McMike. Those two simply do not have the intestinal fortitude to make plays to win games. We need them purged as soon as possible from the roster. I don't think anyone here would seriously argue that Chambers and McMike could start as key components on a super bowl team; maybe as supporting afterthoughts where other guys do the heavy lifting, but surely not as team leaders as they are currently supposed to be and have failed with all precincts in now.

Defensively, there is more hope. Channing Crowder has shown every sign of being a mainstay. If he can finally deliver some big plays, who knows, he may even make it to Honolulu some day. Matt Roth probably qualifies. Between Rod and Manny Wright and Fred Evans, there is some good potential at DT and NT, respectively. Yeremiah Bell, Jason Allen, and Travis Daniels all should be part of a long term secondary. I think Donnie Jones is a very good young punter too. I love JT and Thomas, but man we've got too far to go for them. If JT stays in shape he may still be a decent situational pass rusher even in 3-4 years from now; I'd like to see that. But you hear what I am saying.

The bottom line is, as Randy Mueller surveys this downtrodden roster, he pretty much needs everything, and it isn't going to happen overnight. More than anything he needs to uncover playmakers on both sides of the ball and some speed. He also needs to find some mental toughness in the receiving core.

I think you are looking at 3 drafts. In the first 4 rounds, Mueller is going to have to hit big. If he has 12 picks in the first 4 rounds in the next 3 years, he better hit on at least 75%; that would be 9 players that should help form a core. So, keeping the long range plan in mind, he has the luxury of picking kids who he has conviction on. He doesn't need to reach, because we need everything. Just get the best player. That's what the winners like New England, San Diego, Chicago, and Indianapolis have done.

It could unfold something like this if you look at the next 3 drafts collectively. First round: quarterback, left tackle, and pass rusher. Second round: wide receiver, outside 'backer, and corner. Third round: TE, inside backer, kick returner. Fourth round: interior O line, corner, wide receiver. Rounds 5-7: hit on some nuggets such as some smaller school guys with raw potential for more depth such as another rb and other spots. In addition to some solid drafting in the top rounds, we will need steals and surprises. And we'll even need a kicker.

Personally, I would trade down as much as possible especially further down the draft. If you have more picks, you have a better shot at finding a Jeff Cross, Mark Clayton, Zach Thomas type later. Just play the odds.

But that is looking at a longer range approach. Add players that add long term value to the roster. If you think this sounds obvious; think again. We have failed to take this approach for years and that is how we've found ourselves in this mess. We've drafted myopically for years because the last two coaches were trying to win immediately, not looking at the long term health of the franchise.

In addition to drafting consistently well in the first 4 rounds, Mueller will need to hit big on a guy or two in rounds 5-7 and a guy or two in the undrafted ranks every year.

Veteran free agency should only be used to fill in gaps where Mueller whiffs in the draft, simply to supplement the roster.

We need everything, guys. I'd start the process with Brady Quinn and start building. In the meantime, maybe we can win some games with the Culpepper, McMike, Carter, Taylor, Thomas, Chambers group.
 
I dont see why Chambers and McMike cant start on Super Bowl teams. Every player on your team cant/wont be a leader. Both are solid players who have shown they can be very good. They just need to be more consistent which I think will happen when the offense around them is more consistent. I disagree strongly that they need to be "purged" from the team as soon as possible.

As far as a long range nucleus it's hard to say what young player can step up. I mean what nucleus would you have seen on the Saints team a year ago? Specifically the defensive side of the ball.

We definitely need help through the draft though. Lets hope Mueller can work some magic.
 
if we want a superbowl team i believe that there is not much on offense that will stay. the main two who i believe should stay are ronnie brown and vernon carey. appart from that i believe there has been very fewplayers with youth on there side who plays well. i also believe that welker will be a great no3 reciever and great for picking up the first downs and keep drives going but he wont start in my eyes. Defensivly i believe that Bell, Crowder, Fred Evans are the 3 main players who will control this d from years to come. Crowder has been learing from ZT over the last 2 years and this will give him a hige advantage when he moves back to MLB when Zachleaves/retires.fred Evans has showed alot of potential and i believe he couild become a solid DT.I also believe Roth has improved greatly thisyear though his stats dont say it
 
good post, i agree with your nucleus and i think this nucleus needs to get some leaders and stars real fast cuz when we lose zach and jason we better have other pieces set in place
 
Why can't Culpepper, Chambers, McMichael, Carter, Allen and Shelton be part of championship teams? That really makes no sense to me. I appreciate the work you put into this post, but I disagree with most of it.
 
The personnel on the Dolphins is an utter mess. Let's not sugar coat the disaster moron number one (Wannstedt) and moron number two (Saban) have left in Miami.

The roster obviously is nowhere near capable of being a contender. It is possible that some of the aging stars (i.e., Taylor, Thomas) and some stopgap veterans (e.g., Culpepper, Chambers, McMike, Shelton, Will Allen, Carter et al.) could help win some games over the next couple of years. But these guys are not going to be a part of a championship team in Miami, and that is what we all want.

This team is likely 3-4 years from developing a solid core. I hope we can develop an all around nucleus like San Diego, Indpls, and Chicago have built. To do that we will need to build through the draft. Now that we have a general manager bifurcated from the coaching staff, hopefully the coach's conflict of interest (immediate gratification) will now be supersceded by the best interests of the organization.

So, who on the current roster will be part of what we hope is a championship core in say 3-4 years? I don't see many. On offense there are Ronnie Brown and Vernon Carey. Maybe Hadnot if he develops further. Perhaps Hagan will develop into a number 2 receiver although that seems unlikely. We've all heard about Alabi's promise but I think we'll all believe it when we see it. Don't say Chambers and McMike. Those two simply do not have the intestinal fortitude to make plays to win games. We need them purged as soon as possible from the roster. I don't think anyone here would seriously argue that Chambers and McMike could start as key components on a super bowl team; maybe as supporting afterthoughts where other guys do the heavy lifting, but surely not as team leaders as they are currently supposed to be and have failed with all precincts in now.

Defensively, there is more hope. Channing Crowder has shown every sign of being a mainstay. If he can finally deliver some big plays, who knows, he may even make it to Honolulu some day. Matt Roth probably qualifies. Between Rod and Manny Wright and Fred Evans, there is some good potential at DT and NT, respectively. Yeremiah Bell, Jason Allen, and Travis Daniels all should be part of a long term secondary. I think Donnie Jones is a very good young punter too. I love JT and Thomas, but man we've got too far to go for them. If JT stays in shape he may still be a decent situational pass rusher even in 3-4 years from now; I'd like to see that. But you hear what I am saying.

The bottom line is, as Randy Mueller surveys this downtrodden roster, he pretty much needs everything, and it isn't going to happen overnight. More than anything he needs to uncover playmakers on both sides of the ball and some speed. He also needs to find some mental toughness in the receiving core.

I think you are looking at 3 drafts. In the first 4 rounds, Mueller is going to have to hit big. If he has 12 picks in the first 4 rounds in the next 3 years, he better hit on at least 75%; that would be 9 players that should help form a core. So, keeping the long range plan in mind, he has the luxury of picking kids who he has conviction on. He doesn't need to reach, because we need everything. Just get the best player. That's what the winners like New England, San Diego, Chicago, and Indianapolis have done.

It could unfold something like this if you look at the next 3 drafts collectively. First round: quarterback, left tackle, and pass rusher. Second round: wide receiver, outside 'backer, and corner. Third round: TE, inside backer, kick returner. Fourth round: interior O line, corner, wide receiver. Rounds 5-7: hit on some nuggets such as some smaller school guys with raw potential for more depth such as another rb and other spots. In addition to some solid drafting in the top rounds, we will need steals and surprises. And we'll even need a kicker.

Personally, I would trade down as much as possible especially further down the draft. If you have more picks, you have a better shot at finding a Jeff Cross, Mark Clayton, Zach Thomas type later. Just play the odds.

But that is looking at a longer range approach. Add players that add long term value to the roster. If you think this sounds obvious; think again. We have failed to take this approach for years and that is how we've found ourselves in this mess. We've drafted myopically for years because the last two coaches were trying to win immediately, not looking at the long term health of the franchise.

In addition to drafting consistently well in the first 4 rounds, Mueller will need to hit big on a guy or two in rounds 5-7 and a guy or two in the undrafted ranks every year.

Veteran free agency should only be used to fill in gaps where Mueller whiffs in the draft, simply to supplement the roster.

We need everything, guys. I'd start the process with Brady Quinn and start building. In the meantime, maybe we can win some games with the Culpepper, McMike, Carter, Taylor, Thomas, Chambers group.


I agree that we need to rebuild, but I completely disagree with your 3-4 year time frame. If we totally bite the bullet this year and make trades for picks; current year and next year, and if we make the hard cuts and eat the dead cap money this year and avoid restructures, we can make one H of a run in 2008.
 
I think Chambers and McMike are both capable of being Superbowl standard offensive threats. Sure they've had bad years recently, but if they can both return to form then I see no reason why they cannot contribute to a superbowl winning Dolphins team.
 
So why did the Jet's have so much success? A good coach uses the talents of everyone on the team until the right personnel for his prefered philosophy come into fruition!! I think you're thinking to hard! I'm just excited to have hope to build on such as a high powered offence to bring back the excitement and competitive nature that we used to have.
 
The personnel on the Dolphins is an utter mess. Let's not sugar coat the disaster moron number one (Wannstedt) and moron number two (Saban) have left in Miami.

The roster obviously is nowhere near capable of being a contender. It is possible that some of the aging stars (i.e., Taylor, Thomas) and some stopgap veterans (e.g., Culpepper, Chambers, McMike, Shelton, Will Allen, Carter et al.) could help win some games over the next couple of years. But these guys are not going to be a part of a championship team in Miami, and that is what we all want.

This team is likely 3-4 years from developing a solid core. I hope we can develop an all around nucleus like San Diego, Indpls, and Chicago have built. To do that we will need to build through the draft. Now that we have a general manager bifurcated from the coaching staff, hopefully the coach's conflict of interest (immediate gratification) will now be supersceded by the best interests of the organization.

So, who on the current roster will be part of what we hope is a championship core in say 3-4 years? I don't see many. On offense there are Ronnie Brown and Vernon Carey. Maybe Hadnot if he develops further. Perhaps Hagan will develop into a number 2 receiver although that seems unlikely. We've all heard about Alabi's promise but I think we'll all believe it when we see it. Don't say Chambers and McMike. Those two simply do not have the intestinal fortitude to make plays to win games. We need them purged as soon as possible from the roster. I don't think anyone here would seriously argue that Chambers and McMike could start as key components on a super bowl team; maybe as supporting afterthoughts where other guys do the heavy lifting, but surely not as team leaders as they are currently supposed to be and have failed with all precincts in now.

Defensively, there is more hope. Channing Crowder has shown every sign of being a mainstay. If he can finally deliver some big plays, who knows, he may even make it to Honolulu some day. Matt Roth probably qualifies. Between Rod and Manny Wright and Fred Evans, there is some good potential at DT and NT, respectively. Yeremiah Bell, Jason Allen, and Travis Daniels all should be part of a long term secondary. I think Donnie Jones is a very good young punter too. I love JT and Thomas, but man we've got too far to go for them. If JT stays in shape he may still be a decent situational pass rusher even in 3-4 years from now; I'd like to see that. But you hear what I am saying.

The bottom line is, as Randy Mueller surveys this downtrodden roster, he pretty much needs everything, and it isn't going to happen overnight. More than anything he needs to uncover playmakers on both sides of the ball and some speed. He also needs to find some mental toughness in the receiving core.

I think you are looking at 3 drafts. In the first 4 rounds, Mueller is going to have to hit big. If he has 12 picks in the first 4 rounds in the next 3 years, he better hit on at least 75%; that would be 9 players that should help form a core. So, keeping the long range plan in mind, he has the luxury of picking kids who he has conviction on. He doesn't need to reach, because we need everything. Just get the best player. That's what the winners like New England, San Diego, Chicago, and Indianapolis have done.

It could unfold something like this if you look at the next 3 drafts collectively. First round: quarterback, left tackle, and pass rusher. Second round: wide receiver, outside 'backer, and corner. Third round: TE, inside backer, kick returner. Fourth round: interior O line, corner, wide receiver. Rounds 5-7: hit on some nuggets such as some smaller school guys with raw potential for more depth such as another rb and other spots. In addition to some solid drafting in the top rounds, we will need steals and surprises. And we'll even need a kicker.

Personally, I would trade down as much as possible especially further down the draft. If you have more picks, you have a better shot at finding a Jeff Cross, Mark Clayton, Zach Thomas type later. Just play the odds.

But that is looking at a longer range approach. Add players that add long term value to the roster. If you think this sounds obvious; think again. We have failed to take this approach for years and that is how we've found ourselves in this mess. We've drafted myopically for years because the last two coaches were trying to win immediately, not looking at the long term health of the franchise.

In addition to drafting consistently well in the first 4 rounds, Mueller will need to hit big on a guy or two in rounds 5-7 and a guy or two in the undrafted ranks every year.

Veteran free agency should only be used to fill in gaps where Mueller whiffs in the draft, simply to supplement the roster.

We need everything, guys. I'd start the process with Brady Quinn and start building. In the meantime, maybe we can win some games with the Culpepper, McMike, Carter, Taylor, Thomas, Chambers group.
You build a team around Ronnie Brown.Short and Sweet.
 
So why did the Jet's have so much success? A good coach uses the talents of everyone on the team until the right personnel for his prefered philosophy come into fruition!! I think you're thinking to hard! I'm just excited to have hope to build on such as a high powered offence to bring back the excitement and competitive nature that we used to have.

Exactly... Baltimore was far from a great offense when they won the SB, just had playmakers on one side of the ball. I think Cam will bring a balance to the offense that will make the whole team better! Thank the Lord that Dom Capers re-signed because him staying is gonna make our D ferocious!!

Ronnie and Vernon need to stay solid. Get some solid production from Daunte, if healthy. Put Chambers back in the slot along with Welker, everyone is talking as if we can only do one of the 2 in there... What about 4 wide formations? Pick up Eric Johnson to push McMichael hopefully making him better and another target. A couple moves like this would make our core offense more productive.
 
Pick up Eric Johnson to push McMichael hopefully making him better and another target. A couple moves like this would make our core offense more productive.

Eric Johnson is overrated.
Why do you think the Niners drafted Vernn Davis.

If JT stays in shape he may still be a decent situational pass rusher even in 3-4 years from now

Decent? You think JT is decent?! He's the best DE in the NFL right now, and he has a motor that does not quit.

You said Culpepper was a stopgap player? How do we know this? He may not return to form, but who's to say he can't be what he was a few years ago?
 
I do not think that the Roster is as bad as many make it to be. I believe there are a few pieces we are missing, and the attitude has to change. We have a very good defense. Our offense has moments of greatness. Then, we have great victories against great teams like Chicago and New England. I know coaching has not been the best. I know some players have not prepared as well as they could. I know we are missing the confidence at times, but I like my Dolphins. I know there are areas we need to improve on. But just as Cameron said, we need to work with the personnel and the staff we have, add a few others who fit in and improve the overall picture. Thanks for the read though !
Go Phins !!! :dolphins:
 
So why did the Jet's have so much success? A good coach uses the talents of everyone on the team until the right personnel for his prefered philosophy come into fruition!! I think you're thinking to hard! I'm just excited to have hope to build on such as a high powered offence to bring back the excitement and competitive nature that we used to have.
Right on, I agree. But then again, there are those who will argue the Saints case. They changed most of the team, brought a new coach and succeded.
I do not care the way Cam does it, I just want the Phins to make it to the playoffs and to the SB.
 
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