Who Is Adam Gase (opinion)

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  1. BigNastyFish

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    Having watched a truly great HC for 20+ years (Mr. Don Shula) and listened to him in times of adversity and challenge -- I so ZERO EVIDENCE Gase is anything other than another disposable napkin in long list of Dolphin flunkies... Blaming the entire season on Thill is just way too much over the top. The kid ain't no Marino and this season was trash!
     
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    Ah, now that makes everything a lot more clear. You love conspiracy theories and you are off the races on this one.



    That's right, with a 16 game season, winning is vital and as a coach with limited ability to change much once the season gets going, you put up with, and do your damnedest to fix malcontents, unless your name is Belichick.. Now you could say, why not follow that model. But NE works because it's year 1,000,000 in that system and has Brady throwing the ball. How this gets turned into "ego driven" for the head coach rather than the player is beyond me.

    JA was a problem last year. They benched him. He got the message. But this year was different. We lost our starting QB and our backups just weren't any good. AJ decided that the solution was AJ. Not that he would polish all aspects of his game., Not that he would work his *** off doing everything the coaches were asking of him. No -- he decided that he could hit the home run every time he touched the ball, so just give him the damned ball. And even better, he was going to let the coaches and rest of the team know that he was the answer -- the only answer.

    In a normal work environment, you might be right. I also manage large teams of highly paid people for a living, and figuring out how to get the most out each one of them is damned hard, especially since each and every one of them knows there is a cubicle with their name on it at 100 other company's around the corner. But football teams are different. Most players, other than rookies, make more than the coaches. Coaches have only a few tools to manage players. And given the sho
    rtage of proven talent, players frequently get a second or third chance elsewhere. So coaches are forced to rely on mind games and coach speak in public, because dumping a proven player is not an easy decision with such a limited pool of talent and where loosing 1 game can make the difference of getting into the post season or getting you fired. The fact you feel this is a reflection of ego or immaturity means you are judging Gase in a non-football context.

    For example, Tom Coughlin was famous for fining players for showing up less than 5 minutes early for team meetings. What kind of chicken s**t is that? Try and pull that crap in the real world, with adults who have choices where to work and you'll be managing a team of zero in no time. Hell, he pulled that stunt with the press in his first press event for the Jags. What a D bag. But that's the NFL.


    If he was given 5 or more years to turn over the team until most everyone fits his offensive strategy, then you might be right that he could afford to skip all the histrionics that go with being a HC. But he knows that despite what his contract says, HC's get fired whenever the owner/GM decides to change directions -- so he damned well better start winning ASAP. That means he has to reshape each player to fit a new system, and sometimes you have players that think they know better -- whether its because they just want to play the way they want to play, because they didn't buy into the new system, because they need some stats going into contract years, because they are immature multi-millonairs and don't have to do what they don't want to do, etc.

    Look at two prime examples: Ajayi just knew the thing what was going to win games was his running the ball. We know this because he didn't work on improving his routes, blitz pickups, and he danced looking for the home run rather than hit the hole the play called for. He didn't understand or care that many of those plays where designed to set the defense up for a change up later in the game. What he wanted was the home run -- to be the hero of the game. He was a player over team guy. But he could be a game changer, so the team tried to work with him and get him to change his ways. They thought they had made progress with him last year. But then we lost our starting QB and the game plan went to crap. And our hero was ready to be the hero instead of being part of a team. So, what can the team do? Your choices in ascending order are: you call him out in private; you call him out in a team setting; you call him out publicly in some fashion; you bench him; you trade him; you wave him. It's pretty clear that Gase did everything he could, and in the right order. The problem wasn't Gase. We had a player with a hero complex, who just knew he could fix everything.

    Example #2 is Landry. Everything we're hearing is that he doesn't work on improving his routes and he gets lost in the more complex plays. Again, that hurts the team in lots of ways. But at least, he's good in the locker room and not creating obvious messes for the coaches and the rest of the team. And he's not doing stupid stuff up for significant fractions the game. He's not walking away from games when he's not getting the ball. A problem yes. Will it be enough of a problem that they let him walk, we'll see.

    Almost every coach in the modern era other than Belichick plays mind games and uses coach speak to call at out players. It's one of the few tools they have. The one lone exception is NE, where they have a system in place for so long that means the drop off from player 1 to player 2 is less than any other team out there. And that means the coach has all the power: you do it his way or your gone because he's confident that between his backups and scheming, and Brady throwing the ball, he can make it work. It takes years of coaching and FO continuity to get there, and it helps that he's proven it works. I don't see a single other team that has the same luxuries around interchangeable players. I hope we get there one day.
     
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    While I think Shula and Marino were both all time greats, when we paired one of the best coaches with one of the best QBs every, they have zero rings. That might suggest to you that being a HC and putting together a great team is damned hard work -- even when you have a magician at QB. So why don't we give Gase a little time to see what he's capable of building for us?
     
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    Another 10 years should do it..........
     
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    Glorified qb coach
     
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    Next for Queezy Joe is OC for the Green Bay Packers. Good luck Aaron!
     
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    Dovahkiin

    Last seen in POFO pushing the Trump agenda. He was funny.
     
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    You understand he had that position before, right? And he was OC there for one of the greatest QB'ing seasons in the history of the league in 2011. And Rodgers loves him.
     
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    I realize that was the selling point when he got hired here but what I saw was an OC in title only who worked under the real OC who was the head coach....McCarthy. Philbin never called plays and probably still won't. Philbin was OC there for 5 years with Favre and Rodgers.

    As far as "coaching" Aaron Rodgers....it's good work if you can get it. I'm sure they will do fine as long as Aaron is under center. Not so much with Hundley.
     
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    I see why John Elway passed him up.
     
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    First I was hopeful after last season, now I am doubtful especially after the Ajayi trade. He must learn to control his ego. We shall see next year.
     
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    Was he calling plays as OC Roy? What were his actual responsibilities? You are incredibly disingenuous, and you know it! .And I don't even think you care that you are, but keep pimping Joe
     
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    He just assisted in putting together the game plan for Green Bay and basically put together a few PowerPoints for Green Bay...didn't call the plays, really didn't assist the development of QBs. The only thing you could really give Philbin credit for with the Packers was their OL, as he's always been an OL guy...but giving him credit for their offensive performance really doesn't make any sense.
     
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    It's really odd that you stuck by an in-over-his-head Joe Philbin until the bitter end but don't afford that same courtesy to a coach has proven himself to be far more competent in a shorter amount of time...
     
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    Philbin's only good qualities were A) Making PowerPoints B) Imitating Larry Coker C) Running off potential "threats" to his leadership and D) Looking "tough" on Hard Knocks.

    Gase has had his shortcomings, but he's only been head coach for two years...has taken us to the playoffs in his first year, and has shown the propensity to change when change has been needed, as we've seen in his assistant hirings/firings over this offseason. I think the biggest problem right now lies with Tannenbaum, but I don't know how/when that will ever be remedied.

    Opining for the days of Joe Philbin is like opining for a boil on your balls.
     
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    I said Philbin would be fired within three years too. It was obvious. Just as it is with Gase. Whats ironic is most, if not all Philbin haters and Tannehill lovers were predicting 10+ wins in 2016. Actually not as much ironic as it made no sense.
     

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