Who is the Fins 2nd best player of all time?

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  1. FinfanInBuffalo

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    Do you remember having an effective running game during his career? The entire defense setup to stop the pass and they still couldn't run the ball effectively.
     
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    Nope. OK, this will get me in hot water but here it goes; DAN MARINO was the JARVIS LANDRY of QB's. Incredible stats that didn't translate to championships. I was always the ground-n-pound kinda guy. The MARINO & FOUTS led air attacks just didn't seem like a consistent way to win championships. Just like SHULA though, I was hoping the most incredible passer of all time could elevate those teams to championships. MARINO just never had that late in the career "help" that ELWAY 'received & accepted'. I just don't think MARINO ever thought a running was a better option that him throwing darts all over the field. JMO of course.
     
  3. FinfanInBuffalo

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    The problem was defense, not offense.
     
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    As much as I loved those three, the offense wasn't really the issue after they left....it was the defense, aging, injured and unable to replace the genius of Bill Arnsparger, that was the reason we stopped contending.
     
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    Warfield was in a league of his own during his prime. Better than Rice and any WR to ever play the game. There was nobody like him before him, nor has there been any like him after.

    I think the saying,"poetry in motion," was started by somebody watching Paul Warfield perform. Michael Jordan could only dream of having the kind of coordination and perfection of movement that Paul had.
     
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    I’m talking about the Marino comment, it was well know Marino was special before the latter part of his career
     
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    That's really funny you mention him. Every day when my son is getting ready for school, I say "Put on your jacket..Nate"
    This is weird because Jacquet hasn't played for the Fins since 1999 and my son's name is Connor.
     
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    He was such a random player. Always seemed like he had potential, but never really amounted to much. I think it was just the #19 that made him stand out in an era where Keyshawn Johnson was like the only non-#80 WRs.
     
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    Bob Griese. No doubt about it.
     
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    I hate to break it to you...but Larry Csonka is far more legendary that Jason Taylor...a Super Bowl MVP and all time legend at his position...apples and oranges
     
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    Oh, it was both. No running game + no defense = NO Superbowls, No Championship.
     
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    Dwight Stephenson, and it isn't close.
     
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    Not just Shula. Bear Bryant said he was the best player he’d ever coached. End of story.
     
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    They had less than none when it came to D.
     
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    You mean when he threw 122 TDs in 3 seasons? Hand the ball to “insert horrific RB here”. Ok.
     
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    Amazing that people would think that taking the ball out of Marino's hands was the answer for those teams.
     
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    Before I started reading all these names, I immediately thought of Jake Scott.
     
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    Nowhere was this more accentuated in the SB when Walsh, realizing his base D couldn’t stop Dan after 3 straight scoring drives went to 8 DBs w 3 down lineman. Shula countered by running the ball. Only their 3 were beating our 5 on the line and penetrating the backfield. Pathetic.
     
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    Bob Griese ... plus he's a cool dude! :cool:
     
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    Dolphins had two consecutive scoring drives 1 FG and 1 TD, that was the 1st qtr. They went 14 minutes without scoring they than got 2 fg in the last 15 seconds of the 2nd QTR. We had 2 rush attempts in the 1st QTR in which we scored 10 consecutive points. If Shula countered by running the ball he failed since he only ran the ball 3 times in the 2nd QTR. I would never say 3 rushing attempts in a QTR is a genuine attempt at establishing the run.
     
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    Between 84-86 combined we were 26 of 28 in rushing attempts with 1277 and 22 of 28 in rushing yards with 5192.We were also 9th in rushing yards per attempt with 4.0 and 10th in rushing TD's with 46. Maybe we didn't have a marquee rusher but as a team we didn't do too bad. So yes, I would say maybe if we ran the ball a little more and Shula didn't cater to Marino maybe it would have made a difference. Being 9th in rushing y/a and 10th in TD's over that 3 year span clearly shows we weren't this lackluster rushing team. Just didn't have the attempts.
     
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    I was too young to remember the early Marino years but the stats have never suggested the backs weren’t good enough, only they were way underutilized.

    Bad defense = playing from behind or score for score = hard to establish or maintain the running game. Always made the most sense to me.
     
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    It’s exacy what happened. He tried those runs in the 3rd and the backs got dropped in their tracks. NFL Films did a good documentary on the game - that move - countermove is highlighted.
     
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    Couple things:

    1. We were ok at running the ball
    2. We ran it more late when we had the game in hand.
    3. Or, we were in a shootout / playing from behind.
    4. Our backs were not bellcow types. Nathan was a good all around back. Bennett was more of a fullback. Vigorito was a scat back. Pete Johnson was washed up and contributed nothing but 1 yard TD plunges when we got him. The one good back we had? Andra Franklin (guy we rode to the SB in ‘82) but he blew his knee out and career very early in Marino’s tenure.
     
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    Larry Little

    In the Hall of Fame after a stellar career.
     
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