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Why can't we contend this year??

vinivedivichi

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I'm sitting here at 1:00 AM Saturday morning and just had a crazy thought; Why can't we contend this year? I'm a huge fin fan, but have always been a realist. Look down our roster and tell me why we are only an average team.

Offense-

QB is obviously the big question mark for our team, but I think we can all agree we will get much better play than last year. The system will be better (anything is better than the "system" we supposedly had last year created by our supposed OC), and the line will give our QB more time. The line was solid towards the end of last year, but I expect Houck to improve our line a lot.

That may be optimistic thinking, but I think it's fairly reasonable to expect solid if unspectacular play from those 2 parts of the offense. After that what's not to like? We have a group of guys to throw to that is pretty damn good. We've got Chambers, Boston, Booker, McMike, and Ronnie Brown out of the backfield. Those are top notch targets in the passing game. Out of the backfield we have Brown, Gordon, and Ricky. If we can find a way to get ricky and Ronnie in the same backfield imagine the matchup problems on defense. Between the receivers and the backfield, that's a lot of ammunition. The offense should be more explosive than we've seen since Shula left.

On defense we have had some changes. Along the front 7 we've got a lot of flexibility. We will be using the 3-4 at times, as well as the 4-3 as our base. Gone are the days of "We'll put our 11 guys out there and beat us if you can." Not to criticize Bates, but we played a very vanilla defense. Saban is a defensive genius and for the first time in a long time we will add the element of surprise to our arsenal. My biggest worry about defense is our secondary. We lost Surtain, who IMO is the best CB in football, as well as our safeties. While the talent in the secondary besides Madison is unproven at best, I'm comforted by the way the Pats seemingly "schemed" their way out of a secondary nightmare. Injury after injury, yet still they kept teams from beating them in the air. They made Manning look horrible against a depleted secondary.

A variable that a lot of people discount is the loss of Wanny. I have honestly never seen a worse coach in my life. He watched JJ steamroll opponents at UM and Dallas by playing boring fundamental football and he got the hairbrained idea that it would work everywhere. Guess what?? You have to be a far more talented team than your opponents to line up and run up the gut 6 out of 10 times with the same running plays. It worked at UM and Dallas because those teams were far superior. JJ failed here, and so did Wanny because their "philosophy" is dependent on far superior talent. In the FA era, the teams are too closely matched to depend on a huge talent advantage. For the first time in a long time we will have a coach that will scheme against opponents. You guys notice how when Belicheck was the Jets OC, and even with the Pats, he would always find the weak link on our defense. We put out the best secondary in the NFL, but who was getting picked on?? It was the Jerry Wilson's and the Jamar Fletcher's, and linebackers matched up on Wideouts. I think we've seen the end of those days.

I have a lot of faith is Saban, but i don't think it's unwarranted. Many non-fishfans will say that the guy is coming from college and is unproven. Look at Spurrier. I contend that Saban is very much NFL proven, at least as a coordinator. He led a top ranked defense in Cleveland, and in various articles Belicheck has praised Saban's football knowledge. There was one article which stated Belicheck supposedly said he would miss his weekly Saban chats this year more than he would miss his coordinators!! That ought to tell you something.

I look up and down the roster and I don't see any reason we can't be in the thick of things this year. Don't forget besides last year for the past 3 or 4 years we had been an offense away from getting over the hump in the playoffs. IMO we have a chance to be a pretty good team. Besides QB, the biggest impediment seems to be the drastic changes. There's a lot to learn on both sides of the ball, but I think we'll be all right. No reason we can't contend this year. I'm pumped:)
 
this team will be better than last year but I don't see it contending. I don't see a team with Gus Ferrote and AJ Feeley as their top quarterbacks going to the playoffs let alone deep in the playoffs.

I think Houck is a better o-line coach, but coaching can only do so much. Im not sure the talent we have on the o-line is good enough to turn things around and give us a respectable o-line.

The defense is old in key areas and in other areas very very very young. I think the defense will be shakey at best this year and just average.

This is an 8-8 type of team. But if it went 9-7 or 6-10 I wouldn't be shocked either. The AFC is deep and I don't see this as a playoff team.

It's a process. It will take 2-3 years under Saban. This is the year where Saban finds out who is with him and who isn't. He will test guys each day of the week to see who he wants on this team to go forward with and who is the dead weight to cut loose. To a certain extent you could say Winning and Losing is secondary this year.
 
i think we will go 10-6...last year, we were competitive in every game except the mnf @ nyj...everything that could go wrong did...i really believe saban will improve us 4 games...having houck and linehan and scheming on d ,we will get a few breaks and theres our 10 wins...
 
MikeO said:
this team will be better than last year but I don't see it contending. I don't see a team with Gus Ferrote and AJ Feeley as their top quarterbacks going to the playoffs let alone deep in the playoffs.

I think Houck is a better o-line coach, but coaching can only do so much. Im not sure the talent we have on the o-line is good enough to turn things around and give us a respectable o-line.

The defense is old in key areas and in other areas very very very young. I think the defense will be shakey at best this year and just average.

This is an 8-8 type of team. But if it went 9-7 or 6-10 I wouldn't be shocked either. The AFC is deep and I don't see this as a playoff team.

It's a process. It will take 2-3 years under Saban. This is the year where Saban finds out who is with him and who isn't. He will test guys each day of the week to see who he wants on this team to go forward with and who is the dead weight to cut loose. To a certain extent you could say Winning and Losing is secondary this year.


imo we will i think that we will have a awsome d and we have what aleast 5-6 pro bowl players on d i think we will have one h3ll of a d this year and that wont be our weakness except our secondary and when we put alot of pressure on the qb it will make our secondary look realley good and our offence will be very good with all the rbs we have now and now we have a very good offence and our line will be very improved just wait im looking at a 10-6 season:evil:
 
I don't really get the age criticism on defense. I assume you're talking about JT, Zach, and Madison, but those guys are 30/31. That's not really old, even for football players. IMO those guys are a little past their prime, but certainly not a liability.

We definitely have questions marks, but all teams do. Good coaches tend to cover their own weaknesses and expose others'. I can't help but think of us drafting Jamar Fletcher in the first round when we already had Surtain and Madison. Wanny was tired of the nickelback getting burned, so that became our biggest weakness. How about not letting your nickelback get matched up on the Harrison's and the Mould's?

I think our front 7, with the help of some creative playcalling defensively, will put some pressure on offenses. We'll mix up coverages is the secondary, but almost all I expect will be zones.
 
I'm really sick of hearing that this team is 2-3 years away. This is a team that, the 2 years prior to last years disaster, was one blown play away from the playoffs, and in several different games. Plus, last year there were at least 6 games that the dolphins could and should have won. Most of them ended when Feeley found his favorite target, a LB, for a touchdown (Tennessee, Cinci, NYJ1, Buf, Sea). Did anyone see how Frerrote did in Minnesota anytime Daunte was out? They did at least as well on offense. Trust me, He is an upgrade, and he can read a defense a lot better than the illiterate Feeley. Plus, as already noted, our line was improved last year near the end, we have several dangerous weapons, and we actually have a system on both sides of the ball. There is no reason to believe that this dolphins team can not be at least as good as the 2002-2003 edition.
 
jason_taylor said:
imo we will i think that we will have a awsome d and we have what aleast 5-6 pro bowl players on d i think we will have one h3ll of a d this year and that wont be our weakness except our secondary and when we put alot of pressure on the qb it will make our secondary look realley good and our offence will be very good with all the rbs we have now and now we have a very good offence and our line will be very improved just wait im looking at a 10-6 season:evil:

There are not 5 or 6 pro bowlers on D. JT maybe Zach. That's it these days.
 
Die Ricky said:
Did anyone see how Frerrote did in Minnesota anytime Daunte was out? They did at least as well on offense. Trust me, He is an upgrade, and he can read a defense a lot better than the illiterate Feeley. Plus, as already noted, our line was improved last year near the end, we have several dangerous weapons, and we actually have a system on both sides of the ball. There is no reason to believe that this dolphins team can not be at least as good as the 2002-2003 edition.

Gus attempted 1 pass all of last season. 1. And only 65 the year before. Just 65 attempts.

Im not banking on the Gus of 2 years ago with more talent around him in Minny doing those same things in Miami.

Not to mention he hasn't attempted more than 100 passes in a season since the year 2000. 5 years ago!!!!!!!!!! Im not sold.
 
Die Ricky said:
Did anyone see how Frerrote did in Minnesota anytime Daunte was out? They did at least as well on offense. Trust me, He is an upgrade, and he can read a defense a lot better than the illiterate Feeley.

Scott Mitchell just came to mind......hmmm
 
Alot of question marks this season. The one word to describe them is potential i'd say. We will see how it pans out.
 
I fully agree that we can and will compete this season. I have stated 10-6 time and time again. I also like the signing of David Bowens who didn't have 12 sacks like OGUN, but on a team with both DT'S out for the year had 52 tackles and 7 sacks.. Bowens is a good player when healthy..

Lets not kill AJ just yet. I don't care who it was, you couldn't be good on this O last season.
 
MikeO said:
There are not 5 or 6 pro bowlers on D. JT maybe Zach. That's it these days.


and you are saying that sam madison; kevin carter jr seau that have never been pro bowlers ? huh ?:shakeno:
 
NJFinFury2004 said:
I fully agree that we can and will compete this season. I have stated 10-6 time and time again. I also like the signing of David Bowens who didn't have 12 sacks like OGUN, but on a team with both DT'S out for the year had 52 tackles and 7 sacks.. Bowens is a good player when healthy..

Lets not kill AJ just yet. I don't care who it was, you couldn't be good on this O last season.


and i agree 100%
 
jason_taylor said:
and you are saying that sam madison; kevin carter jr seau that have never been pro bowlers ? huh ?:shakeno:

Yes they have been probowlers in the past. Are all three going to be probowlers
in 2005? Very unkikely. If you think about how many defenses in the past
have sent5-6 probowlers to the probowl. 1985 Chicago Bears? 2000 Baltimore Ravens? Last year the bills had the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL and they only had 3 probowlers on defense.
 
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