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Why Can't We Run A QB Sneak?

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I know, first reaction, stupid question, of course we can't do it, Tua might get hurt. Maybe that is it, and it is a stupid question, but I am wondering if there is a different answer to the question?

Obviously, being able to sneak the ball is very important. It is nice to convert 3rd or 4th and 1 with high probability. It got the Eagles to a Super Bowl, 3rd and 3 became an automatic first down for them at one point, worst case, two tush pushes. Brady and the Pats were tremendously effective with it as well.

With regard to the Tua injury issue, first of all I am not even sure a QB sneak exposes a QB to injury. They are just like big rugby mush piles. I have never seen a QB get hurt or take much of a hit sneaking the ball. Then, we weren't sneaking the ball with him prior to his concussion issues. That was even with Flores, who prized toughness and was a straight ahead type of coach. I think there were times where they brought Brissett in to sneak the ball on Tua's behalf. Making the sneak obvious makes it harder to achieve the sneak - you lose something bringing in the backup to do it because you are tipping your hand, and limit other potential options as well.

The other potential excuse is the OL isn't good enough to do it. I do not think that can be the issue. Even when the OL was pretty good up the middle with Connor Williams and Rob Hunt, who could get some push, and prior to Tua's concussions with that OL too, we were not sneaking the ball.

Did we even sneak the ball with Huntley or Skylar Thompson?

Is it the coaches or is there something about Tua that makes it impossible for him to sneak the ball?

Perhaps is it a height issue? Are there analogs with shorter QBs, and they can't sneak a ball for some reason. Maybe the issue is if you are too short, you cannot get yourself over the OL and ride their backs to move the ball forward? Do we know if shorter QBs like Drew Brees or Joe Montana or Kyler Murray or whoever were/are effective sneakers of the ball?

Could it be a leg and body strength issue? I tend to doubt that too, but it is possible. Tom Brady was one of the most effective sneakers in history, while at the same time being on of the weakest and least athletic in history. But he was tall.

I am just curious. I think the answer goes beyond just "injury" - but I do not know.

If anyone understands this, and has a good explanation, I would love to know. I also think it would just be interesting to ask McDaniel or someone else on the offensive coaching staff as to why as well. If they said "injury" I would push back on them with the "you guys never did it even prior to the concussions" and see what they say.
 
Tua is just so limited.

1. He can’t move that well

2. He doesn’t have good arm strength.

3. He is not good at improvising when things break down.

4. Can’t stay healthy.

5. Can’t elevate players around him.

6. Can’t QB sneak at all with his injury history.

It’s sad that a rookie QB can do more than Tua entire career.

At this point I take a project QB than having another year of half a season Tua at the helm.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong (might be) but I don’t think I’ve ever seen McDaniel call a QB sneak regardless of who is in at QB? Tua, Bridgwater, White, Skylar, Huntley….. I cannot recall a QB sneak.
yes, that was part of my OP. is it just the coaches hate the play? i literally cannot figure this one out???
 
He should be able to run a Qb sneak and this head coach should have him do so.

Like when he got fat once you start minimizing the playbook because of some physical limitations you’re begging for trouble
 
Tua killed my dad.

But seriously. It’s the OL. Tua is not the guy for this but we don’t have the OL or a guy to just put in to do it. I think that OSU QB would really be a nice backup, but we don’t seem interested in winning
 
Tua is just so limited.

1. He can’t move that well

2. He doesn’t have good arm strength.

3. He is not good at improvising when things break down.

4. Can’t stay healthy.

5. Can’t elevate players around him.

6. Can’t QB sneak at all with his injury history.

It’s sad that a rookie QB can do more than Tua entire career.

At this point I take a project QB than having another year of half a season Tua at the helm.
Exactly, and with Burrow, Lamar, Allen and Mahomes we will always be at a competitive disadvantage with Tua at QB.

I'll be rooting for Tua and the Dolphins this year because I'm a Dolphins fan, but at the same time I have no pride or confidence in this team until it finds a legitime franchise QB.

The search should begin immediately, to hell with the money we've waste on Tua. Time is more valuable than cash.
 
I know, first reaction, stupid question, of course we can't do it, Tua might get hurt. Maybe that is it, and it is a stupid question, but I am wondering if there is a different answer to the question?

Obviously, being able to sneak the ball is very important. It is nice to convert 3rd or 4th and 1 with high probability. It got the Eagles to a Super Bowl, 3rd and 3 became an automatic first down for them at one point, worst case, two tush pushes. Brady and the Pats were tremendously effective with it as well.

With regard to the Tua injury issue, first of all I am not even sure a QB sneak exposes a QB to injury. They are just like big rugby mush piles. I have never seen a QB get hurt or take much of a hit sneaking the ball. Then, we weren't sneaking the ball with him prior to his concussion issues. That was even with Flores, who prized toughness and was a straight ahead type of coach. I think there were times where they brought Brissett in to sneak the ball on Tua's behalf. Making the sneak obvious makes it harder to achieve the sneak - you lose something bringing in the backup to do it because you are tipping your hand, and limit other potential options as well.

The other potential excuse is the OL isn't good enough to do it. I do not think that can be the issue. Even when the OL was pretty good up the middle with Connor Williams and Rob Hunt, who could get some push, and prior to Tua's concussions with that OL too, we were not sneaking the ball.

Did we even sneak the ball with Huntley or Skylar Thompson?

Is it the coaches or is there something about Tua that makes it impossible for him to sneak the ball?

Perhaps is it a height issue? Are there analogs with shorter QBs, and they can't sneak a ball for some reason. Maybe the issue is if you are too short, you cannot get yourself over the OL and ride their backs to move the ball forward? Do we know if shorter QBs like Drew Brees or Joe Montana or Kyler Murray or whoever were/are effective sneakers of the ball?

Could it be a leg and body strength issue? I tend to doubt that too, but it is possible. Tom Brady was one of the most effective sneakers in history, while at the same time being on of the weakest and least athletic in history. But he was tall.

I am just curious. I think the answer goes beyond just "injury" - but I do not know.

If anyone understands this, and has a good explanation, I would love to know. I also think it would just be interesting to ask McDaniel or someone else on the offensive coaching staff as to why as well. If they said "injury" I would push back on them with the "you guys never did it even prior to the concussions" and see what they say.

How many teams run a QB sneak? I remember very few. Not just Miami
 
We have a RG who can only block air and morons are wondering this
We don’t even try to run QB sneak or tush push. Can’t logically blame the players when the HC doesn’t even give you a chance.

That’s like saying this team can’t shoot 3’s, while the coach says we don’t believe in shooting them.
 
I think the answer to this is you have to have balls to be violent enough to impose your will on the opposition in short yardage and our HC is a p***y.

McDaniel is a disgrace to this franchise as is Tua, Shula would eat these p*****s for breakfast.
Those dolphins teams from 86 even 85. To 95 are very similar to this team. Except we had all time great qb running things that managed to get us to win first round of playoff games but lose second round.

We were never physicall with Shula from 84 on.
 
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