Why do people want to cut McCain?
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Only way we cut McCain is if we sing a high price saftey in FA.
I've never understood it either.
Every coach he has played for praised him. He isnt a perennial pro bowl player, but he is above average, despite his stature, at safety. He was also seen as a top slot cover before that. His one year of substandard play was when he tried to play wide corner.
The worst thing Bobby ever did, from a team standpoint, was accept a stupid, premature contract extension from a moron GM. Can't fault him for that.
I don't know that one. Can you hum a few bars?
Brother I think the question is he providing enough return on the Dolphins investment, or do you look to the draft?
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Bobby McCain
Safety
Age: 28
Free Agency: 2023 (UFA)
Accrued Seasons: 6
- Height: 5-11
- Weight: 195
- College: Memphis
- Entry: 2015 Draft, Round 5, #145 overall (Dolphins)
- 2021 Salary Cap Charge: $7,140,400 (3.65% of cap)
- 2021 Cash Payout: $6,400,000 (4.52% of spending)
- 2021 Cash to Cap Ratio: 0.90
- Contract Value: $27,000,000 ($6,750,000 APY)
- Fully Guaranteed Money: $9,982,000
- Contract Ranking: 17/202 at S
Current Contract
(Extension, signed 2018)
(: indicates contract trigger occuring during that year)| Year | Age | Base Salary | Prorated Bonus | Roster Bonus | Workout Bonus | Guaranteed Salary | Cap Number | Cap % | Dead Money & Cap Savings |
|---|
| 2018 | 25 | $705,000 | $797,472 | $0 | $0 | $705,000 | $1,502,472 | 0.8% | |||||
| 2019 | 26 | $3,075,000 | $740,400 | $2,500,000 | $25,000 | $5,575,000 | $6,340,400 | 3.2% | |||||
| 2020 | 27 | $5,475,000 | $740,400 | $0 | $25,000 | $3,018,000 | $6,240,400 | 2.9% | |||||
| 2021 | 28 | $6,375,000 | $740,400 | $0 | $25,000 | $0 | $7,140,400 | 3.6% | $1,480,800 | $5,659,600 | |||
| 2022 | 29 | $6,975,000 | $740,400 | $0 | $25,000 | $0 | $7,740,400 | 3.4% | $740,400 | $7,000,000 | |||
| Total | $22,605,000 | $3,759,072 | $2,500,000 | $100,000 | $9,298,000 | $28,964,072 |
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Phinatic8u
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Sign Marcus Williams and cut him.
I can see an arguement for cutting IF you have an in house replacement in mind. It does free up 5.7 mil.Brother I think the question is he providing enough return on the Dolphins investment, or do you look to the draft?
Bobby McCain
Safety
Age: 28
Free Agency: 2023 (UFA)
Accrued Seasons: 6
2020 OTC Valuation: $6,299,000
- Height: 5-11
- Weight: 195
- College: Memphis
- Entry: 2015 Draft, Round 5, #145 overall (Dolphins)
- 2021 Salary Cap Charge: $7,140,400 (3.65% of cap)
- 2021 Cash Payout: $6,400,000 (4.52% of spending)
- 2021 Cash to Cap Ratio: 0.90
- Contract Value: $27,000,000 ($6,750,000 APY)
- Fully Guaranteed Money: $9,982,000
- Contract Ranking: 17/202 at S
Current Contract
(Extension, signed 2018)
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Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap
NumberCap % Dead Money & Cap Savings �
2018 25 $705,000 $797,472 $0 $0 $705,000 $1,502,472 0.8% 2019 26 $3,075,000 $740,400 $2,500,000 $25,000 $5,575,000 $6,340,400 3.2% 2020 27 $5,475,000 $740,400 $0 $25,000 $3,018,000 $6,240,400 2.9% 2021 28 $6,375,000 $740,400 $0 $25,000 $0 $7,140,400 3.6% $1,480,800 $5,659,600 2022 29 $6,975,000 $740,400 $0 $25,000 $0 $7,740,400 3.4% $740,400 $7,000,000 Total $22,605,000 $3,759,072 $2,500,000 $100,000 $9,298,000 $28,964,072
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To cut him, only to bring in a high $ FA makes less sense. Yes you might get an upgrade physically, but Bobby already knows the system, and any good FA is going to cost a lot more, and have a longer term contract.
Looking at the salaries around the league, you can make a case that McCain is overpaid, but not by anything substantial.
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I agree brother.I can see an arguement for cutting IF you have an in house replacement in mind. It does free up 5.7 mil.
To cut him, only to bring in a high $ FA makes less sense. Yes you might get an upgrade physically, but Bobby already knows the system, and any good FA is going to cost a lot more, and have a longer term contract.
Looking at the salaries around the league, you can make a case that McCain is overpaid, but not by anything substantial.
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juniorseau55
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Up until someone takes his place stop the McCain cut bandwagon. He's blown coverage every now and then but that happens more often than not with safeties, just not the elite ones.
People want to cut McCain because he wasn’t a good player years ago and people haven’t changed their minds. But he’s become a better player and leader under Flores and he probably not going anywhere this off-season.
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Meh to him and Rowe. I personally think our secondary lacks bite! Meaning we have no one back there that’s willing to play that enforcer role. We have passive-aggressive guys that would rather push you instead of lightening you up.
As a rookie, he wasn't very good. How many 5th rd picks are?
Aside from the one year experiment playing wide, he has been a good player. Ppl hold a bad (from the team's perspective) contract against him.
Ah, you mean like Rashad Jones. Yeah, he would lay the wood, when he wasn't blowing assignments, being caught out of position, or just freelancing.
I get wanting an old school, tough guy but the combination of that, and also being top mentally is hard to come by. Some might say elite.
Most teams, even the good ones, have "elite" at maybe 4 or 5 spots, including QB. You have to accept solid somewhere.
I'm not saying Bobby is the best thing since sliced bread, and if a viable alternative upgrade came along, you do it.
I just think there are other places in which to have an immediate focus.
McCain has a cap hit of $7.1 million next year and Rowe has a cap hit of a little over $5 million. They have an in house prospect in Brandon Jones. Jones is younger, faster, and much cheaper than either McCain or Rowe.
If the coaches feel Jones can replace either McCain or Rowe next season, I don’t see them keeping the safety Jones replaces because it doesn’t make sense to pay a backup safety 5-7 million dollars a year.
I have no idea if the coaches are looking at Jones as a starter in 2021 but he was drafted to hopefully develop into a starter eventually. If they don’t think he is ready to take over one of the starting safety position and assuming they don’t draft a safety in the first two rounds or sign a high priced safety in free agency, I believe that would mean McCain and Rowe would be the starting safeties again next season.
If the coaches feel Jones can replace either McCain or Rowe next season, I don’t see them keeping the safety Jones replaces because it doesn’t make sense to pay a backup safety 5-7 million dollars a year.
I have no idea if the coaches are looking at Jones as a starter in 2021 but he was drafted to hopefully develop into a starter eventually. If they don’t think he is ready to take over one of the starting safety position and assuming they don’t draft a safety in the first two rounds or sign a high priced safety in free agency, I believe that would mean McCain and Rowe would be the starting safeties again next season.
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Was thinking the same thing. I thought he played really well last year. He and Rowe make a nice safety tandem with Jones giving us some good depth. Our secondary is the one place where I think we're set. I ain't messing with that. Use our draft picks and FA dollars to completely revamp our offensive skill positions and to add high value pieces throughout the rest of the team.