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Why I don't see MIA trading down...

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If Matt Ryan is "that" good and if ATL would be willing to trade UP for him with Brohm being available there at pick #3, then there is no way in hell that BP would pass him up. Point blank.
Just think about it. Both MIA and ATL need a franchise QB. Is Matt Ryan "that" much better than Brohm? If the answer is "yes", then MIA will take him, because he is "that" much better. If the answer is "no", then ATL "won't" trade UP for Ryan anyways and will just stay put and be able to take Brohm at #3. So both ways, MIA isn't going to or won't be able to trade down.
If Brohm isn't even in the conversation as a top 3 pick to begin with, then even more MIA will not pass up Matt Ryan, who on a consensus level, is.
So however u look at it and on whatever side of the spectrum u are as far as is or isn't Matt Ryan worth the #1 pick, MIA will not be trading down.
#1: because they won't pass up on him if he's "that" good.
#2: because ATL won't trade up for him if he "isn't" that good. So really, this should end all debates about a MIA possible trade down scenario.
Point being clearly made, there will be only 3 possible scenarios come draft day.
at #1, MIA will select, Matt Ryan, Jake Long, or Vernon Ghoulston.
No other possible scenarios. Why not Chris Long? Because Chris has a question mark about can he play OLB better than any other player in the draft? Ghoulston obviously has shown in undeniable measures that he "can" play OLB better than any other player in the draft. That said, I can't possibly see MIA taking an OLB at #1.
Why? First, they have Jason Taylor. Which means he "allows" MIA to fix our biggest needs. If they were to truly be willing to trade him, it is because they feel that what they have or can find later on can do the job enough to allow us to fix other needs that allow us to unload him.
The fact that MIA chased Calvin Pace via FA showed us that BP did not want to replace JT by selecting Ghoulston at #1. If they did, they would not have pursued Pace...they would had traded JT and just waited for the draft to pick Ghoulston. The choice to pursue Pace was evidence that they had some other position in mind at #1 overall.
Notice that they also attempted to sign Daryl Blackstock after failing on Pace. So that meant that even "after" failing on Pace, they still tried to replace JT with a FA rather than using the #1 overall pick on Ghoulston.
No. Instead BP has now backed off of a JT trade possibility and vehemently balked at the suggestion.
He has another player in mind at #1 overall.
That eliminates Ghoulston as a possible #1 overall pick.
That leaves me to Matt Ryan and Jake Long, whether he trades JT or not. (which the failure to sign pace and blackstock all but "almost" ensures that BP isn't lying about saying that he isn't willing to trade JT)
"If" Matt Ryan is, like I said, "that" good. He is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
"If" Matt Ryan is "not" that good. Jake Long is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
So, get ready. Be prepared. The clock is ticking and the days are drawing closer...
BP is not playing around. He is doing his homework. He is not throwing around any smokescreens like some people want to think...he is truly studying Matt Ryan the way he is showing that he is. Why? He needs to know if he is "that" good.
He needs to "know" that Jake Long is the pick or that Matt Ryan is the pick.
Again, if Matt Ryan is "that" good, then BP is picking him at #1.
 
If Matt Ryan is "that" good and if ATL would be willing to trade UP for him with Brohm being available there at pick #3, then there is no way in hell that BP would pass him up. Point blank.
Just think about it. Both MIA and ATL need a franchise QB. Is Matt Ryan "that" much better than Brohm? If the answer is "yes", then MIA will take him, because he is "that" much better. If the answer is "no", then ATL "won't" trade UP for Ryan anyways and will just stay put and be able to take Brohm at #3. So both ways, MIA isn't going to or won't be able to trade down.
If Brohm isn't even in the conversation as a top 3 pick to begin with, then even more MIA will not pass up Matt Ryan, who on a consensus level, is.
So however u look at it and on whatever side of the spectrum u are as far as is or isn't Matt Ryan worth the #1 pick, MIA will not be trading down.
#1: because they won't pass up on him if he's "that" good.
#2: because ATL won't trade up for him if he "isn't" that good. So really, this should end all debates about a MIA possible trade down scenario.
Point being clearly made, there will be only 3 possible scenarios come draft day.
at #1, MIA will select, Matt Ryan, Jake Long, or Vernon Ghoulston.
No other possible scenarios. Why not Chris Long? Because Chris has a question mark about can he play OLB better than any other player in the draft? Ghoulston obviously has shown in undeniable measures that he "can" play OLB better than any other player in the draft. That said, I can't possibly see MIA taking an OLB at #1.
Why? First, they have Jason Taylor. Which means he "allows" MIA to fix our biggest needs. If they were to truly be willing to trade him, it is because they feel that what they have or can find later on can do the job enough to allow us to fix other needs that allow us to unload him.
The fact that MIA chased Calvin Pace via FA showed us that BP did not want to replace JT by selecting Ghoulston at #1. If they did, they would not have pursued Pace...they would had traded JT and just waited for the draft to pick Ghoulston. The choice to pursue Pace was evidence that they had some other position in mind at #1 overall.
Notice that they also attempted to sign Daryl Blackstock after failing on Pace. So that meant that even "after" failing on Pace, they still tried to replace JT with a FA rather than using the #1 overall pick on Ghoulston.
No. Instead BP has now backed off of a JT trade possibility and vehemently balked at the suggestion.
He has another player in mind at #1 overall.
That eliminates Ghoulston as a possible #1 overall pick.
That leaves me to Matt Ryan and Jake Long, whether he trades JT or not. (which the failure to sign pace and blackstock all but "almost" ensures that BP isn't lying about saying that he isn't willing to trade JT)
"If" Matt Ryan is, like I said, "that" good. He is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
"If" Matt Ryan is "not" that good. Jake Long is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
So, get ready. Be prepared. The clock is ticking and the days are drawing closer...
BP is not playing around. He is doing his homework. He is not throwing around any smokescreens like some people want to think...he is truly studying Matt Ryan the way he is showing that he is. Why? He needs to know if he is "that" good.
He needs to "know" that Jake Long is the pick or that Matt Ryan is the pick.
Again, if Matt Ryan is "that" good, then BP is picking him at #1.
Ok...MATT RYAN IS NOT WORTH A #1...anybody can see that we are in desperate need of an O-line..secondary..TE..OLB....Beck will do fine for this year....if we need a QB, it`ll wait to the 2nd round..Brohm should be late first/early second...
 
face it guys, NOBODY in this draft is worth the #1 overall, 30 million guaranteed. if we dont trade out of it, we HAVE to select someone.

Beck is good, just give him an OL, RB, WR, TE and he'll do fine.

It doesnt seem like Dorsey will be the pick because we signed Ferguson and Starks, and already have a young Soliai grooming. It doesnt seem Chris Long is the pick because apparently JT is staying, and we already have Roth, Wright, and Moses.

As of right now, im joining the Jake Long bandwagon. I think its obvious, I mean we NEED an RT...as of now we have no RT. Mo Williams and Shane Olivea are free agents and we are showing no interest, and I DONT KNOW WHY!.....Jake is the best run blocking OT in the draft, just what Ronnie needs. IMO, Jake is our pick...if we can somehow trade our #32 and a 3rd, and move down to select Brendan Albert, our OL is gonna be rock solid.
 
If Matt Ryan is "that" good and if ATL would be willing to trade UP for him with Brohm being available there at pick #3, then there is no way in hell that BP would pass him up. Point blank.
Just think about it. Both MIA and ATL need a franchise QB. Is Matt Ryan "that" much better than Brohm? If the answer is "yes", then MIA will take him, because he is "that" much better. If the answer is "no", then ATL "won't" trade UP for Ryan anyways and will just stay put and be able to take Brohm at #3. So both ways, MIA isn't going to or won't be able to trade down.
If Brohm isn't even in the conversation as a top 3 pick to begin with, then even more MIA will not pass up Matt Ryan, who on a consensus level, is.
So however u look at it and on whatever side of the spectrum u are as far as is or isn't Matt Ryan worth the #1 pick, MIA will not be trading down.
#1: because they won't pass up on him if he's "that" good.
#2: because ATL won't trade up for him if he "isn't" that good. So really, this should end all debates about a MIA possible trade down scenario.
Point being clearly made, there will be only 3 possible scenarios come draft day.
at #1, MIA will select, Matt Ryan, Jake Long, or Vernon Ghoulston.
No other possible scenarios. Why not Chris Long? Because Chris has a question mark about can he play OLB better than any other player in the draft? Ghoulston obviously has shown in undeniable measures that he "can" play OLB better than any other player in the draft. That said, I can't possibly see MIA taking an OLB at #1.
Why? First, they have Jason Taylor. Which means he "allows" MIA to fix our biggest needs. If they were to truly be willing to trade him, it is because they feel that what they have or can find later on can do the job enough to allow us to fix other needs that allow us to unload him.
The fact that MIA chased Calvin Pace via FA showed us that BP did not want to replace JT by selecting Ghoulston at #1. If they did, they would not have pursued Pace...they would had traded JT and just waited for the draft to pick Ghoulston. The choice to pursue Pace was evidence that they had some other position in mind at #1 overall.
Notice that they also attempted to sign Daryl Blackstock after failing on Pace. So that meant that even "after" failing on Pace, they still tried to replace JT with a FA rather than using the #1 overall pick on Ghoulston.
No. Instead BP has now backed off of a JT trade possibility and vehemently balked at the suggestion.
He has another player in mind at #1 overall.
That eliminates Ghoulston as a possible #1 overall pick.
That leaves me to Matt Ryan and Jake Long, whether he trades JT or not. (which the failure to sign pace and blackstock all but "almost" ensures that BP isn't lying about saying that he isn't willing to trade JT)
"If" Matt Ryan is, like I said, "that" good. He is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
"If" Matt Ryan is "not" that good. Jake Long is the no brainer #1 overall pick.
So, get ready. Be prepared. The clock is ticking and the days are drawing closer...
BP is not playing around. He is doing his homework. He is not throwing around any smokescreens like some people want to think...he is truly studying Matt Ryan the way he is showing that he is. Why? He needs to know if he is "that" good.
He needs to "know" that Jake Long is the pick or that Matt Ryan is the pick.
Again, if Matt Ryan is "that" good, then BP is picking him at #1.

The thing is even if Matt Ryan "is THAT good" it doesn't matter if PArcells also thinks Beck "is THAT good" And it also makes ZERO difference at the quarterback position - you DON'T DRAFT VALUE AT QUARTERBACK. If you do you are dumb. you try to land the guy you feel is the BEST PLAYER period. regardless of the gap in talent to the next guy. The position is "THAT important. Furthermore it doesn't matter if the Dolphins think the guy is that good or not. It only matters that the Falcons THINK we think that or that another team does. IMO invalid argument.
 
Ryan really isnt that much better than Henne and Brohm. Sorry but were not taking Ryan.
 
Ok...MATT RYAN IS NOT WORTH A #1...anybody can see that we are in desperate need of an O-line..secondary..TE..OLB....Beck will do fine for this year....if we need a QB, it`ll wait to the 2nd round..Brohm should be late first/early second...

Brohm wont get past the Bears
 
You draft BPA with #1.
NONE of the QB's in this years draft are worthy of that.
 
We cannot pass on a Franchise QB that is ready to play NOW. Matt Ryan is the pick if we pass on him at No.1 he will go at No.3. Chris Long is the guy that if he does not go No.1 will slid out of the top ten.
 
You draft BPA with #1.
NONE of the QB's in this years draft are worthy of that.

They never are the BPAs. People forget how much negative stuff was written about Peyton Manning before he came out. Trust me, if the BPA is a fullback he's not getting drafted until the 2nd round earliest. Its all about positional worth and relative value, not absolute value
 
Good stuff MrEd. I agree that the pursuit of Pace showed that we were looking at Ryan and maybe Jake. I think you make a good point though about Blackstock. Even after Pace turned us down we still pursued that position through free agency. We recently checked out Gholston and I think he may be in play but I see no reason why Parcells first choice, Matt Ryan wont be the pick. Unless of course he blows chunks on Pro Day
 
We already have our franchise QB. Give it a rest with all this us drafting Ryan talk, its not happening. We will be drafting a QB this year but not until the later rounds.
 
I can remember Parcells commenting on ESPN about Beck that it is awefully hard to evaluate rookie QB's...esecially when they're not surrrounded by very good talent. The JURY IS STILL OUT ON BECK...that's why Parcells will draft Defense in round 1 and possibly could go with Flacco in round 2. Matt Ryan WILL NOT be the #1 pick.
 
They never are the BPAs. People forget how much negative stuff was written about Peyton Manning before he came out. Trust me, if the BPA is a fullback he's not getting drafted until the 2nd round earliest. Its all about positional worth and relative value, not absolute value

Peyton Manning was a MUCH better prospect than what Matt Ryan is. Manning didn't have "elite" arm strength, but he still had a much stronger arm than Ryan, and nobody has ever questioned Manning's accuracy.
 
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