Why is it important to build through draft!

[ciscoholgate]

We are dysfunctional. Players avoid this team.

At one point in time they didnt. Now that Jeff Ireland is officially running it, they do. We do not win on the field. We do not win in free agency. And past history shows we do not win in the draft.

People can keep making excuses for our front office, people can keep saying "we should build in the draft!!!", people can keep pointing out how good we were decades ago. But bottom line: we are not a good team to play for at this moment. And potential free agents know that.

That is obvious. Once Miami starts winning again and finds a legitimate franchise QB, players will want to play for Miami again, like they did in the days of old.

Time being, we have to rebuild through the draft. We are not one player away from a Super Bowl.

 

[Spesh]

That is obvious. Once Miami starts winning again and finds a legitimate franchise QB, players will want to play for Miami again, like they did in the days of old.

Time being, we have to rebuild through the draft. We are not one player away from a Super Bowl.

Like Gonzo said, chicken or the egg?
Ireland has shown repeatedly he cannot find a franchise quarterback. He has no idea what hes doing in that regard. If he isnt hanging onto Chad Henne, then hes drafting Pat White. He makes up for this by refusing to trade up in a quarterback rich draft class and refusing to draft Andy Dalton. Of course, this is all "going according to plan" because his next brilliant move is to try and trade for Kyle Orton. And now, with the draft a month away, its coming out that our regime has no problem with Matt Moore and has all but declared the position fixed. Ireland has shown repeatedly he just doesnt get it.

We have been "rebuilding through the draft" for half a decade now. Even teams that have had worse luck than us(Lions for example) have figured out how to rebuild much quicker and with far more success. The Colts are about to replace their hall of fame quarterback before we could replace our hall of fame quarterback and we had a 14 year head start.
Color me completely unimpressed with this front offices plans.

 

[ciscoholgate]

Spesh, more than half the GMs in the league cannot find a franchise QB, they do not grow on trees. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good when it comes to finding a franchise QB.

One mistake I have seen them make at QB was choosing Henne over Matt Ryan. Pat White was a gimmick selection and was never going to be a Franchise QB.

Lions built quicker? They hadn't been to the playoffs in nearly a decade and had numerous shots at the #1 overall pick.

The Colts got lucky with Luck, like I said, luck plays a factor in drafting. Matt Ryan was the best QB the year we had the #1 overall pick and he couldn't hold Luck or Griffin's jock.

You can be unimpressed as much as you want, but fact is good GMs are just as hard to find as Franchise QBs. Fact is, the scouts and coaches play just as important of a role on draft day as the GM does.

No body hits on every draft and over half the teams in this league have yet to find their Franchise QB.

Changing your FO every half a decade sets you back years, I wouldn't mind replacing Ireland, but there is no guarantee whoever we bring in will be better than Ireland.

Ireland's shown he has an eye for talent and has been hitting on all his 1st round picks (which is a must) in Long, Davis, Odrick, and Pouncey.

He has yet to hit on QB, but I am hoping Philbin and Sherman can help with that.

 

[Uruguayfinfan]

Spesh, more than half the GMs in the league cannot find a franchise QB, they do not grow on trees. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good when it comes to finding a franchise QB.

One mistake I have seen them make at QB was choosing Henne over Matt Ryan. Pat White was a gimmick selection and was never going to be a Franchise QB.

Lions built quicker? They hadn't been to the playoffs in nearly a decade and had numerous shots at the #1 overall pick.

The Colts got lucky with Luck, like I said, luck plays a factor in drafting. Matt Ryan was the best QB the year we had the #1 overall pick and he couldn't hold Luck or Griffin's jock.

You can be unimpressed as much as you want, but fact is good GMs are just as hard to find as Franchise QBs. Fact is, the scouts and coaches play just as important of a role on draft day as the GM does.

No body hits on every draft and over half the teams in this league have yet to find their Franchise QB.

Changing your FO every half a decade sets you back years, I wouldn't mind replacing Ireland, but there is no guarantee whoever we bring in will be better than Ireland.

Ireland's shown he has an eye for talent and has been hitting on all his 1st round picks (which is a must) in Long, Davis, Odrick, and Pouncey.

He has yet to hit on QB, but I am hoping Philbin and Sherman can help with that.

Great post DzakkH13

 

[Gonzo]

Spesh, more than half the GMs in the league cannot find a franchise QB, they do not grow on trees. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good when it comes to finding a franchise QB.

One mistake I have seen them make at QB was choosing Henne over Matt Ryan. Pat White was a gimmick selection and was never going to be a Franchise QB.

Lions built quicker? They hadn't been to the playoffs in nearly a decade and had numerous shots at the #1 overall pick.

The Colts got lucky with Luck, like I said, luck plays a factor in drafting. Matt Ryan was the best QB the year we had the #1 overall pick and he couldn't hold Luck or Griffin's jock.

You can be unimpressed as much as you want, but fact is good GMs are just as hard to find as Franchise QBs. Fact is, the scouts and coaches play just as important of a role on draft day as the GM does.

No body hits on every draft and over half the teams in this league have yet to find their Franchise QB.

Changing your FO every half a decade sets you back years, I wouldn't mind replacing Ireland, but there is no guarantee whoever we bring in will be better than Ireland.

Ireland's shown he has an eye for talent and has been hitting on all his 1st round picks (which is a must) in Long, Davis, Odrick, and Pouncey.

He has yet to hit on QB, but I am hoping Philbin and Sherman can help with that.

More than half the GM's in the league are at least putting QB at the top of the list when it comes to priorities. I've seen nothing from Ireland that shows he rates the QB as higher than any other position. It's simple statements (oft repeated) like "we're comfortable with where we're at with the QB position" (or something along those lines). Wrong answer. Period. And that one mistake you see is a GIGANTIC mistake. A mistake that has set this franchise back for years (and years to come apparently). That alone should have been a fireable offense. You don't ever, ever, ever take an LT or any other position over QB. A good QB (which Ryan is, at the very least) is more important than an elite LT any day of the week. Only a bad GM fails to see that.

As for the Lions, they recognized that nothing mattered more than QB (at least when they got a good GM in there). They struck out a few times, but they kept going for it because they realized it was the most important position. As soon as they hit, they began working on becoming legit contenders. I'd rather try and strike out and try again multiple times than the "build the team, then find a QB" mentality that has been failing for well over a decade.

Honestly, I see nothing but passing the buck and excuses for the guy, the same as Sparano and every other bad GM and coach we've had since Shula. I also see settling. "Well, there's nothing else out there (wrong), so this is what we've got." Not good enough. I know this phrase has been said a million times, but it most definitely applies here: That's settling for mediocrity. "Well, there's nothing else out there." Nonsense. Don't bother asking me to list those that are out there, because it's asked every time and yet every year teams manage to find GMs and coaches quite easily. I don't mind taking chances on relative unknowns sometimes, like Ireland. But if they ain't got it, they ain't got it, and often they simply ain't gonna get it.

Hey, I hope he gets his **** together and learns how to be a GM, starting with addressing the most important position in football, which first takes showing (not simply saying) that he feels it's the top priority BY FAR. I just don't think it's likely. I was hoping Sparano would learn how to coach. Sometimes they just don't have it.

 

[finfan54]

I would like to see one post, just one, that stated it wasn't important to build through the draft. That doesn't mean you completely disregard free agency. You utilize both to your advantage. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

not realy sure where we disregarded FA but oh well. so far pittsburgh is in cap hell trying to save the guys they have a dished off like 3 or 4 guys already. just sayin.

 

[finfan54]

Spesh, more than half the GMs in the league cannot find a franchise QB, they do not grow on trees. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good when it comes to finding a franchise QB.

One mistake I have seen them make at QB was choosing Henne over Matt Ryan. Pat White was a gimmick selection and was never going to be a Franchise QB.

Lions built quicker? They hadn't been to the playoffs in nearly a decade and had numerous shots at the #1 overall pick.

The Colts got lucky with Luck, like I said, luck plays a factor in drafting. Matt Ryan was the best QB the year we had the #1 overall pick and he couldn't hold Luck or Griffin's jock.

You can be unimpressed as much as you want, but fact is good GMs are just as hard to find as Franchise QBs. Fact is, the scouts and coaches play just as important of a role on draft day as the GM does.

No body hits on every draft and over half the teams in this league have yet to find their Franchise QB.

Changing your FO every half a decade sets you back years, I wouldn't mind replacing Ireland, but there is no guarantee whoever we bring in will be better than Ireland.

Ireland's shown he has an eye for talent and has been hitting on all his 1st round picks (which is a must) in Long, Davis, Odrick, and Pouncey.

He has yet to hit on QB, but I am hoping Philbin and Sherman can help with that.

this is it to me. This year is a must to draft a QB but just read on a draft site that since 1992, all of the 2nd and 3rd rounders had 2.5% success rate of becoming great. I am starting to think just getting a Qb is not the answer but I think there are 3 who have a shot with a darkhorse as late rounder, but dont bet money on it.

On Ireland, people say he plays it safe, I just consider it a well thought out researched player who fills an immediate need is what it is.

 

[ciscoholgate]

Gonzo, I agree that you never take a good QB over an elite LT. But there was no guarantee Ryan was going to be good.

This board was split in 2007. About half wanted him and about half didn't. Even the Rams who had an oft-injured and vastly overrated Marc Bulger passed on him.

There are no guarantees in the NFL when it comes to drafting a QB. Just as many bust as those who produce even just enough.

And if Ireland and and company draft Ryan Tannehill at #8 overall, does that change your perception any?

I am pretty sure a lot of people on here would HATE to see Tannehill drafted that high.

Finding a QB is not easy and Parcells and Ireland put all their eggs in the Chad Henne basket and now we are dealing with the results of it.

Say we fire Ireland (which I have no problem with), say Ross brings in a guy recommended by Peterson to be our GM.

What if he fails? It would take at least 5 years to see the fruits of his investment.

What if he is not the guy? Are fans really wanting to wait 5 years on each new GM to see if he's the guy?

Ted Thompson, one of the bets GMs in the game and one of my favorites, had his franchise QB fall into his lap.

If 24 other teams don't pass on him, the Packers probably don't have an elite QB.

Thompson didn't trade up to make sure they selected Rodgers either.

Jerry Reece, another great GM had Eli Manning sitting there for him when he took over in 2007.

Reece had that Super Bowl roster built for him and has done well since.

Point is, finding a good GM is no easy task. And even if you do find one, they may not be lucky enough to find they Super Bowl worthy QB (i.e. Ozzie Newsome).

If Ireland doesn't have it, that's fine. We will find out soon enough.

But don't expect any new GM to come in right away and find success.

Our team is not set up for that right now and chances are we will be asking for their head in a few years anyway.

I'm willing to trust Ross because he trusts Ireland (for now).

Ross has $1 Billion+ invested in this team, so he cares more than ANYONE on this board if Ireland succeeds or not.

 

[Gonzo]

Gonzo, I agree that you never take a good QB over an elite LT. But there was no guarantee Ryan was going to be good.

This board was split in 2007. About half wanted him and about half didn't. Even the Rams who had an oft-injured and vastly overrated Marc Bulger passed on him.

There are no guarantees in the NFL when it comes to drafting a QB. Just as many bust as those who produce even just enough.

And if Ireland and and company draft Ryan Tannehill at #8 overall, does that change your perception any?

I am pretty sure a lot of people on here would HATE to see Tannehill drafted that high.

Finding a QB is not easy and Parcells and Ireland put all their eggs in the Chad Henne basket and now we are dealing with the results of it.

Say we fire Ireland (which I have no problem with), say Ross brings in a guy recommended by Peterson to be our GM.

What if he fails? It would take at least 5 years to see the fruits of his investment.

What if he is not the guy? Are fans really wanting to wait 5 years on each new GM to see if he's the guy?

Ted Thompson, one of the bets GMs in the game and one of my favorites, had his franchise QB fall into his lap.

If 24 other teams don't pass on him, the Packers probably don't have an elite QB.

Thompson didn't trade up to make sure they selected Rodgers either.

Jerry Reece, another great GM had Eli Manning sitting there for him when he took over in 2007.

Reece had that Super Bowl roster built for him and has done well since.

Point is, finding a good GM is no easy task. And even if you do find one, they may not be lucky enough to find they Super Bowl worthy QB (i.e. Ozzie Newsome).

If Ireland doesn't have it, that's fine. We will find out soon enough.

But don't expect any new GM to come in right away and find success.

Our team is not set up for that right now and chances are we will be asking for their head in a few years anyway.

I'm willing to trust Ross because he trusts Ireland (for now).

Ross has $1 Billion+ invested in this team, so he cares more than ANYONE on this board if Ireland succeeds or not.

So we've been waiting for a guarantee, eh? Well, Luck is the closest we've had to a guarantee since Manning. Good thing we won those 6 vital games, right? You don't wait for guarantees and you don't go with an LT over a QB. Who cares whether half the board was split? The ones that knew what they were talking about wanted Ryan. The rest were happy that we decided to rebuild our team around a Left Tackle and are probably touting 6-3 in the last nine games as a successful season.

Still doesn't make any sense WHATSOEVER to stay with a failure just because the next may also be a failure. Ridiculous. If you owned a restaurant, would you keep the failure of a waiter that keeps pissing in peoples drinks just because the next may spit in their food? Hell no, you fire them and move on. You don't wait to see if he figures out that he shouldn't piss in people's food. I have no idea how good Ross is at evaluating GM talent, but I can't wait to find out (though his sticking with Ireland when he should have fired him is a bad sign).

As for your fear that it could take a new GM years. Well, I'll know right away if he understands the modern NFL. Next year's draft is chock full of good QB prospects. Pretty simple.

 

[Gonzo]

not realy sure where we disregarded FA but oh well. so far pittsburgh is in cap hell trying to save the guys they have a dished off like 3 or 4 guys already. just sayin.

They'll be competing for another Super Bowl this season. Again. Just sayin.

 

[ciscoholgate]

So we've been waiting for a guarantee, eh? Well, Luck is the closest we've had to a guarantee since Manning. Good thing we won those 6 vital games, right? You don't wait for guarantees and you don't go with an LT over a QB. Who cares whether half the board was split? The ones that knew what they were talking about wanted Ryan. The rest were happy that we decided to rebuild our team around a Left Tackle and are probably touting 6-3 in the last nine games as a successful season.

Still doesn't make any sense WHATSOEVER to stay with a failure just because the next may also be a failure. Ridiculous. If you owned a restaurant, would you keep the failure of a waiter that keeps pissing in peoples drinks just because the next may spit in their food? Hell no, you fire them and move on. You don't wait to see if he figures out that he shouldn't piss in people's food. I have no idea how good Ross is at evaluating GM talent, but I can't wait to find out (though his sticking with Ireland when he should have fired him is a bad sign).

As for your fear that it could take a new GM years. Well, I'll know right away if he understands the modern NFL. Next year's draft is chock full of good QB prospects. Pretty simple.

So now you are blaming Ireland for the Dolphins winning the wrong games? As far as Long over Ryan, I know Ryan is a good QB and Long is an elite LT, but who is to say Ryan would have had success here like he does in Atlanta? For all we know, he could have struggled just like Henne in a bad situation in Miami. There were big risks with taking a QB 1st overall (mostly financial) and Parcells and Ireland let us down.

As far as staying with Ireland, that is totally up to Ross. If Ross thinks Ireland can succeed, it's his choice. I personally don't think Ireland is a terrible GM. I don't think he's great either. I think he has been solid at evaluating talent, but he doesn't take enough risks. As far as the fans tired of Ireland, we are a slave to Ross' decision. As long as Ross has faith in Ireland, he will stick with him. As a fan there is not much we can do to change that perception. Biggest way to show Ross displeasure in the way he runs this team is by hitting the organization where it hurts most, their wallet. Ross earned the right to run this team they way he wants by putting up the $1 Billion+. He may say he cares what the fans think, but he's also a businessman who is also very competitive, so he will do what HE thinks is best. That's just the way it is.