Why Not Draft Lamar Jackson?

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  1. Tannchise

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    https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html

    I don't understand why we would even consider passing on a player that has this much potential to transcend the team. Am I reading right that he has 5,200 yards and 45 TDs this year ? LOL

    Teams in Houston, LA, SF and Philly all have an enthusiasm towards their team. Yes two are coming off injuries, but their small sample size was more transcending than anything Miami has seen since the mid 1990's. In the NFL, Jackson will run less and have less rushing TDs. However, the ability to keep the chains moving is what makes this kid so appetizing.

    I love the way Jackson played in his last 4 games. IMHO, Miami has been a mediocre team, playing with mediocre quarterbacks. Fans will not only lose their minds waiting for him to be transcending, it will never happen. There are too many needs for Tannehill to succeed. The SF 49ers were in the same position, however, now are re-buiding their team differently and easier because Garropolo is their qb.

    Worst case scenario, why are we afraid of real qb competition? Have we really spent 1st round picks well in recent years? There are 1,000 Tannehill debates. Well, if the qb was playing well, there would be no debates. Miami cannot afford to have a mediocre qb, when the Jets, Bills and Pats will all have upgraded the same qb.
     
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    Flawed premise #1: "Real QB Competition"

    There wouldn't be any real QB competition any time soon. Lamar Jackson would not win the starting job in 2018 training camp.
     
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    Why not draft a more NFL ready QB? I highly doubt Lamar will ever amount to anything in the NFL.
     
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    pat white 2.0
     
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    That is COMPLETELY the wrong comparison. White was nowhere close to Jackson's level. He is a taller more accurate Mike Vick.

    His accuracy issues were an issue at Louisville but not something he can't overcome at the next level.

    The guy is tough as nails too boot stands in and takes tons of hits and gets back up. Now he does need to improve that aspect to avoid injury but again it is not something that can't be fixed.

    He is a project no doubt but if you can harness his God given talent he will be a stud.

    I think if Miami did not have the pressing needs it does I would take him in maybe 2nd-3rd round.

    We see that Gase is hitching his wagon to Tannehill so he better have a solid back up plan if it doesn't work out.

    I am hoping that he stays out of the AFC East...We don't want those problems facing us twice a year.
     
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    Most QB's that have accuracy issues in college will have them in the NFL as well

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Jackson has a thin build that is not going to be survivable in the NFL for any length of time.
     
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    Won't be a good NFL player. Pat White will tell you that style don't work in NFL but it's flawless in college.
     
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    I personally think Jackson could be a Deshaun Watson type player in the NFL. The accuracy is the question but to his credit his completion % increased from 54 to 56 to 59 over the past three seasons.

    This is a dynamic playmaker and I am all for drafting him and letting him sit behind RT in his inevitable "prove it" season in 2018.
     
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    And how do you know this?
     
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    How do you know any of the speculation that you posted as fact?
     
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    I know Tannehill’s tenure had been mediocre. I also know that there is a recent run on trading up for qb’s because teams understand their importance. You can sit and wait for Tannehill, but Gase wont want to lose this job because of his decisions on qb last two years
     
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    Jackson < RG3
     
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    Have you watched jackson at all? Or just looking at his stats?
     
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    Apparently he thinks we are switching over to the read option this off-season.

    Jackson could wind up being a great pro QB, but he needs a lot of work to be able to play in an offense similar to the one the Dolphins run. He wouldn't be competing for a starting job right away, that's for sure.
     
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    There you go again.

    You've decided that RT isn't the answer based on bunch of team stats. Ok, that's ok. Everyone gets a vote here at Finheaven. But you have also decided that a player that hasn't played a single down in the NFL is a guaranteed HOF, elite QB (because there are so many truly elite QB that they just rain down each year in the draft). I guess I'm just wondering why you think he's such a lock on being great given all the years of players getting drafted with 'sure fire' type labels flaming out?
     
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    If I had a dollar for every thread you’ve created to prove your anti-tannehill obsession, I’d have enough money to buy a clearance Jackson jersey in 3 years
     
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    Why do you think Garappolo is better than Tannehill? Other than the fact that he is not a Dolphins QB.
     
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    Because we already have a quarterback who will never be an all pro in Ryan Tannehill.
     
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    Did you watch Louisville vs Mississippi State?

    He is no winner, just look at Louisville record last three years.

    8-5 : Won Bowl Game
    9-4 : Lost Bowl Game
    8-5 : Lost Bowl Game


    No thanks!
     
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    I'll say this... Jackson is a guy I want absolutely no part of as a QB for the Miami Dolphins, but he's also the type of player that our defense and only our defense would make look like a hall of famer when we play him. To me he's another Tyrod Taylor.
     
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    Don’t be surprised if Jackson or Mayfield falls to 11 and we take them. I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
     
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    When you look at a player like Jackson you hope he is Mariota...A superior athlete that is also a very good QB...Jackson is not that. I won't downplay his ability to make plays at the college level, but so could Tebow, but very few would argue that Tebow should be an NFL QB. I don't doubt that some team will take Jackson by the end of the second round, but expecting anything other than a backup role with some package play is a real reach.
     
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    I wouldn't use a first round pick on but he is definitely worth a 2nd round chance. The problem I have with Jackson is that who does he compare to in the NFL? He isn't Cam Newton, no where near Cam size and strength and that's the size he would need to be to be successful in the NFL and have a long career with his playing style. The closets comparison would be Colin Kapernick and we have seen him struggle after defense found him out and forced him to throw the ball. Same with Vince Young and RG3, great rookie years but once defenses forced them to throw in the pocket and showed complex defenses and forced them to read coverages, they got exposed. I see the same issue with Lamar Jackson. His size/playing style and accuracy issues isn't a good combination for the NFL.
     
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    Drew Brees went 9-4, 7-5, 8-4 in 98, 99, and 00...Louisville isn't exactly a powerhouse.
     
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    Drafting Jackson would mean a total restructuring of the offense to fit his skill set. His accuracy issues could be masked some by the exagerated passing lanes and break downs in the secondary due to defenses focusing on his run threat. I would rather go a different dirrection, but I'm on record saying whoever drafts Jackso should also sign Kaepernick as a similar styled veteran to tutor him.
     
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    His athletic ability is tempting and very exciting. I think he's more like a Colin Kaepernick type prospect. If a team can keep him in the pocket, he's not going to win games for you. At least not now.

    I think he has a long way to go. If a team could be patient with him, maybe he becomes something. That's the problem with the NFL, though. A lot of these quarterbacks are thrown out there before they are ready. NE could be a nice spot for him because then he could sit for 2-3 or 10 years depending on when Tom Brady retires.
     
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    Two straight bowl failures vs. the SEC. At least he was more competent this time but it included tons of mistakes and all of his weaknesses.

    Jackson now seems determined to either take off and run haphazardly, or force flatfooted throws into traffic. I don't necessarily recommend either strategy in the NFL.

    He will make countless big plays with his legs as long as they remain healthy. But instead of an extremely instinctive Russell Wilson component where he gives himself up before contact, Jackson actually creates contact. He'll launch forward. I don't know how it's possible to watch his game without counting down the number of NFL hits before one of them changes his career.

    The passing simply isn't natural. You can tell he's working on it. Big changes from 2016 but not a finished product and not all the changes have been positive. He'll lock on and make a slightly inaccurate throw from a flatfooted position and with awkward somewhat stiff mechanics. Ball pointed outward a little bit like Rodgers at California.

    Not the worst I've ever seen from an athletic quarterback. With that much big play potential you have to allow some benefit of a doubt. I would reject him in the old NFL but with defenses hampered in this era and since Jackson has shown willingness to alter his style maybe he can figure something out. This is a tougher call than Robert Griffin, who always looked like a reject plus he had the personality issues. I don't know anything about Jackson's character.

    I would not draft him at 11.
     
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    Garappolo is already dissecting defenses more than Tannehill ever will. You hear him while he was mic’d Up? He was telling his WRs tendencies of the opposing defensive players and setting them up to be successful. Already making his teammates better. He’s seeing stuff previous San Francisco qbs didn’t see. Brady has taught him well. I thought it was absurd when espn said Garappolo was the 2nd best QB in the AFC east. I thought Tannehill was by default. It appears espn was right.
     
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    Mayfield for the win!
     
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    Just for shet and giggles I compared him to
    TimTebow.
    Games (G)

    Tim Tebow 55


    Lamar Jackson 37




    Games Started (GS)

    Tim Tebow 41


    Lamar Jackson 33


    Wins as Starter

    Tim Tebow 35


    Lamar Jackson 22


    Losses as Starter

    Tim Tebow 6


    Lamar Jackson 11


    Pass Completions (Cmp)

    Tim Tebow 661


    Lamar Jackson 606


    Passing Attempts (Att)

    Tim Tebow 995


    Lamar Jackson 1,055


    Completion Percentage (Cmp%)

    Tim Tebow 66.4


    Lamar Jackson 57.4


    Passing Yards (Yds)

    Tim Tebow 9,285


    Lamar Jackson 8,872


    Touchdown Passes (TD)

    Tim Tebow 88


    Lamar Jackson 67


    Touchdown Percentage (TD%)

    Tim Tebow 8.8%


    Lamar Jackson 6.4%


    Interceptions Thrown (Int)

    Tim Tebow 16


    Lamar Jackson 23


    Interception Percentage (INT%)

    Tim Tebow 1.6


    Lamar Jackson 2.2


    Yards per Pass Attempt (Y/A)

    Tim Tebow 9.3


    Lamar Jackson 8.4


    Adjusted Yards per Pass Attempt (AY/A)

    Tim Tebow 10.4


    Lamar Jackson 8.7


    Yards Gained per Pass Completion (Y/C)

    Tim Tebow 14.0


    Lamar Jackson 14.6


    Yards Gained per Games Played (Y/G)

    Tim Tebow 168.8


    Lamar Jackson 239.8


    QB Rating (Rate)

    Tim Tebow 170.8


    Lamar Jackson 144.7


    Rushing Attempts (Att)

    Tim Tebow 692


    Lamar Jackson 631


    Rushing Yards (Yds)

    Tim Tebow 2,947


    Lamar Jackson 3,974


    Rushing Touchdowns (TD)

    Tim Tebow 57


    Lamar Jackson 49


    Rushing Yards per Game (Y/G)

    Tim Tebow 53.6


    Lamar Jackson 107.4


    Rushing Attempts per Game (A/G)

    Tim Tebow 12.6


    Lamar Jackson 17.1


    Rushing Yards per Attempt (Y/A)

    Tim Tebow 4.3


    Lamar Jackson 6.3
     
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    Adam Gase doesn't possess the innovate and open offensive mind to utilize a talent like Lamar Jackson at quarterback.
     
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    I want to say Blake Bortles is the best comparison, but Bortles doesn't run a 4.4 40.
     
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    I'll preface this by saying I don't watch college football except the national championship game so this opinion is based off watching one highlight video:

    Passing: not impressed

    Athleticism: that spin move at full gallop might have been one of the most impressive things I've seen, from any skill player, not just a QB
     
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    No thank you! This guy has bust written all over him. He will not translate well into the NFL
     
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    The determining factor is that Gase wants more than anything to run his offense effectively with the right personnel. Jackson does not seem to fit into Gases system. All talent aside, Gase is building his machine with specific parts.
     
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    I'd bet that Lamar Jackson won't even be there. Arizona is probably going to trade up for a QB. Cleveland, Giants, Jets, Denver, Arizona, Buffalo, Jacksonville and even New England could be landing spots for him. If he makes it beyond top 10, I don't think there's any way he's there for the 2nd round. He'll be in Buffalo where those legs will carry the team when it's snowing too hard to pass.
     
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    People act like Tannehill is a top level QB. He is nothing but a middle of the pack guy and that's all he ever will be. We need an upgrade and need to at least find a top 10 QB.
     
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    He needs a lot of work on his throwing, too. I know some people are concerned about running to contact, and I don't disagree, but he has accuracy issues that stem from having an inconsistent/poor throwing motion. That can absolutely be fixed with proper coaching, but it won't happen overnight. He is a player who will have to be put in a read option type of offense if he wants to have any success right away, IMO.
     
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    If you don't have a QB ranked in the top 10 you need to keep looking.
     
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