why NOT to get Trent Green

[JepheryRoss]

Although Trent Green has put up great QB numbers in the past, lets not forget a few things

(a) He's way past his prime and coming off a concussion that even after his return seemed to leave a mark on him

(b) he's played behind a Kansas City pro-bowl offensive line that we simply dont have (although we have alot of young promising talent, its not to be compared)

(c) he's played with Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

If you dont think that it can make just about any QB play pretty well just take a look at Damon Huard.

There's simply no reason to grab Trent Green and it really appears to me to be a personal thing with our staff having a history with him (similar to why we drafted Ted Gin)

I personally would like to give Culpepper one more shot, the upside out weighs the downside. We have a reliable back up in Lemon and a young rookie in Beck. If the three of them are all let downs then we make a move next year, but adding Trent Green is NOT going to win us 2 extra games or anything.

 

[josekareh]

I'm with you all the way.... It would be a very stupid move, although some people may thing that he is very smart which I think he is, but at 37 it doesnt really matter how smart you are, YOU ARE SLOW...

 

[DRNEWBEE]

100% agree and have said similar stuff since he first popped up on our radar. Cam has already shown his loyalty to former players...Loyalty is good to a point, but I think Culpepper still has a future in this league and I would like us to give him an actual chance. If we didn't have a vet like Daunte I would gladly welcome Trent for a year, but Daunte is here and still, I think, has a lot to offer this franchise in the next 3 years or so.

 

[Geforce]

Although Trent Green has put up great QB numbers in the past, lets not forget a few things

(a) He's way past his prime and coming off a concussion that even after his return seemed to leave a mark on him

(b) he's played behind a Kansas City pro-bowl offensive line that we simply dont have (although we have alot of young promising talent, its not to be compared)

(c) he's played with Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

If you dont think that it can make just about any QB play pretty well just take a look at Damon Huard.

There's simply no reason to grab Trent Green and it really appears to me to be a personal thing with our staff having a history with him (similar to why we drafted Ted Gin)

I personally would like to give Culpepper one more shot, the upside out weighs the downside. We have a reliable back up in Lemon and a young rookie in Beck. If the three of them are all let downs then we make a move next year, but adding Trent Green is NOT going to win us 2 extra games or anything.

A) in the 7 regular season games Trent Green played upon his return, 5 of those were against defense ranked in the Top 10 in total defense. Few, if any QBs, who had not played in 8 weeks would look good against those defenses.

B) Kansas City's OL wasn't all that great last year with Kyle Turley starting at RT.

C) Priest Holmes didn't play last year and only one of Kansas City's WRs caught more that 50 passes last year.

As far as Green not helping us win 2 extra games...you, I nor anyone else knows for sure if he can or not.

 

[phinsfan1221]

A) in the 7 regular season games Trent Green played upon his return, 5 of those were against defense ranked in the Top 10 in total defense. Few, if any QBs, who had not played in 8 weeks would look good against those defenses.

B) Kansas City's OL wasn't all that great last year with Kyle Turley starting at RT.

C) Priest Holmes didn't play last year and only one of Kansas City's WRs caught more that 50 passes last year.

As far as Green not helping us win 2 extra games...you, I nor anyone else knows for sure if he can or not.

very well put KC OL has taken a few hits the pastyear and are taken another one with sheilds retireing last year roaf retired

 

[tay0365]

Although Trent Green has put up great QB numbers in the past, lets not forget a few things

(a) He's way past his prime and coming off a concussion that even after his return seemed to leave a mark on him

(b) he's played behind a Kansas City pro-bowl offensive line that we simply dont have (although we have alot of young promising talent, its not to be compared)

(c) he's played with Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

If you dont think that it can make just about any QB play pretty well just take a look at Damon Huard.

There's simply no reason to grab Trent Green and it really appears to me to be a personal thing with our staff having a history with him (similar to why we drafted Ted Gin)

I personally would like to give Culpepper one more shot, the upside out weighs the downside. We have a reliable back up in Lemon and a young rookie in Beck. If the three of them are all let downs then we make a move next year, but adding Trent Green is NOT going to win us 2 extra games or anything.

(a) He's way past his prime and coming off a concussion that even after his return seemed to leave a mark on him

Culpepper's Injury seems far more severe as far as allowing him to be the QB he used to be, and both Lemon and Beck are not ready. Green at least knows the Offense and gives you a few good games, with Culpepper right now, it looks like if you can get one well played game from him would be miraculous.

(b) he's played behind a Kansas City pro-bowl offensive line that we simply dont have (although we have alot of young promising talent, its not to be compared)

Even though Miami does not have that type of O-line, as you said they are young and promising, and as has been the case with this line since Houck got here, as the year progresses, so do they. Even if the line is not that good in the beginning, who do you want back there a QB that is still mobile enough to move around and smart enough to know what to do with the ball, or someone that is coming back from an injury that has made him a lame duck back there mobility and decision wise?


(c) he's played with Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

And we will probably have Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown, and a very promising rookie RB in Lorenzo Booker.

We do need Green here, but I also do not expect him to have to start too long, because Beck seems to be a very smart QB that should be ready quicker then most Rookies, and lemon is impressing everyone.

 

[cellman007]

Although Trent Green has put up great QB numbers in the past, lets not forget a few things

(a) He's way past his prime and coming off a concussion that even after his return seemed to leave a mark on him

(b) he's played behind a Kansas City pro-bowl offensive line that we simply dont have (although we have alot of young promising talent, its not to be compared)

(c) he's played with Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson

If you dont think that it can make just about any QB play pretty well just take a look at Damon Huard.

There's simply no reason to grab Trent Green and it really appears to me to be a personal thing with our staff having a history with him (similar to why we drafted Ted Gin)

I personally would like to give Culpepper one more shot, the upside out weighs the downside. We have a reliable back up in Lemon and a young rookie in Beck. If the three of them are all let downs then we make a move next year, but adding Trent Green is NOT going to win us 2 extra games or anything.

You use Trent Green's past to prove why he isn't worthy, but the only grounds you can use to support Culpepper is his past accomplishments pre injury and in a completely different system, one that I might add Trent Green is very familar with, can't have it both ways. If you discount one's past performance because it was in the past and not the situation he is presently in, you must do the same with the other. and furthermore I see no glaring upside to Culpepper you speak of, especially with his injury and still showing no signs that he is ready to go, and alot of questions still regarding if he will ever have full use of that knee again, let's face it he has proven that he struggles if he must stay in the pocket and can't use his atheltism and mobility he once had.

 

[Namor]

I'm with you all the way.... It would be a very stupid move, although some people may thing that he is very smart which I think he is, but at 37 it doesnt really matter how smart you are, YOU ARE SLOW...

Bet'cha he could beat CPep in a foot race.
Add that to the fact ,Trent knows the offense better than
CPep already and Trent can read a defense...It's a no
brainer.

 

[DolphinsFan23]

Daunte needs to prove to Cam that he can learn all the little nuances of his offensive system, make good, quick decisions, get rid of the ball quickly, have good pocket awareness/mobility, etc.

Daunte BETTER be working on the mental aspects of his game just as hard as he's working at rehabbing that knee. That I know. Cam expects the QB to be kind of a "coach on the field" who understands everything at a deep level and can get on the same wavelength with the coaches as far as strategies, concepts, etc. He needs to reach that ph.D level where he can teach it to the other guys. That's when you really know your stuff ... when you can stand up in front of a classroom and teach and answer any questions that people ask you.

This is really a bad time for Daunte with his adoptive mother dying last week. Life seems to throw multiple trials and tribulations at you all at one time for some damn reason. Somehow, Daunte's going to need to get back in high gear if he wants to pick up where he left off after his big 2004 season.

 

[John Beck]

if he comes here for the expense of a draft pick, NO. But if not, it makes our QB depth deeper than it has been in a long time. 2 proven QB's the made the pro bowl, a good back up that knows Cam's system in lemon and our future QB that should be ready by next season.

 

[esafille]

Even though Miami does not have that type of O-line, as you said they are young and promising, and as has been the case with this line since Houck got here, as the year progresses, so do they. Even if the line is not that good in the beginning, who do you want back there a QB that is still mobile enough to move around and smart enough to know what to do with the ball, or someone that is coming back from an injury that has made him a lame duck back there mobility and decision wise?
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so that O-line should be good just in time for Beck to get in there! I love it

 

[emocomputerjock]

You neglect the most important for though: John Beck. Green would make an incredible mentor, with on field-experience and years of having been in this offense. Look at how well Alex Smith is doing now (between having a vet behind him and simplifying the offense). Culpepper isn't the best role-model for a rookie to emulate, but Trent Green is.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

I personally would like to give Culpepper one more shot, the upside out weighs the downside.

Even if Culpepper were healthy, I don't think Cameron would be keeping him. Cameron has his own idea of what kind of QB he wants running this offense, and Culpepper isn't it. That's why we're pursuing Green, he's familiar with the system, and he's worked with both Cameron / Shea in the past....

If Culpepper were healthy, he would have been traded in my opinion. And as soon as the Green deal is completed, he'll likely be released. Culpepper's days as a Miami Dolphin are all but over in my opinion....

adding Trent Green is NOT going to win us 2 extra games or anything.

Personally, I think Green will be a major upgrade for us at QB. He's only a short term solution, but a very smart one. Green knows the new offense like the back of his hand, and I have more confidence in him helping us improve, than I do in Culpepper getting healthy enough to start at this stage....

PHINZ RULE!!!

 

[tay0365]

so that O-line should be good just in time for Beck to get in there! I love it

I hope so. :D

 

[bwillow]

I say we need to give pep a chance. Green at his age is on a rapid downward spiral. No QB, even the great marino lost a step late in his career. If the chiefs dont want him after all the great years he had there... then why should we? sure he could probably sling the ball around still but is it worth taking the risk of cutting pep with out giving him a chance, and at TG's age injury is always a large risk. I am not a pep supporter I just think for what we gave up for him we owe it to ourselves to give him a chance and not sell ourselves short by picking up some other teams garbage again.