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I hate the thought of losing Ricky, especially after the smoke has finally blown over and Ricky seems to have resurrected his career, but Saban is in full-wheel drive to upgrade this team. Perhaps with the AFC East virtually collapsing before our eyes and the hiring of both Capers and Mularkey, Saban smells blood.

I'm not sure Saban is orchestrating a trade with Denver, or whoever the best suitor may be, but I think has Saban has two objectives for the trade.

1) Saban did say at the end of the year that he was somewhat perplexed at how to keep both Ronnie and Ricky in the game at the same time. Both backs played better individually than as a tandem. Saban may believe that having two feature backs in the same backfield sounds great on paper, but simply doesn't play out as well in reality. When you have a #2 pick like Ronnie Brown, with his incredible talent, you have to play him. In this case, Saban may believe that we will have addition by subtraction.

2) I don't think trading up for Cutler is a realistic possibility and I think Saban is simply trying to get a high draft pick for Ricky because this may be the best opportunity we will ever have to do that. Ricky could go south again and the desire to give Ronnie more playing time, plus the fact we need more players at other positions and can use the draft pick may have led Saban to finally pull the trigger. We all would like to see a first rounder for Ricky, but in truth, second round picks have been some of the most valuable picks in the NFL.



The only thing that makes me curious about the possibility of trading Ricky is that he is still relatively young, was extremely productive, a perfect citizen and most of all, he is very cheap. It just doesn't make sense to unload a player with those attributes unless Saban thinks this is a great draft and the Dolphins will be a better team in the long run.
 
I agree with the tenor of your post. At this point in Saban's coaching career, any move he makes I will presume to be the correct one.
 
When you talk about motivation for trading Ricky or any move Saban makes with this team he has already stated what the motivation is. Everything he does is to upgrade the team. If he believes he can get a greater value for the long term health of this team from trading Ricky rather than keeping him and usinga dual backfield, then he will trade him. If a higher value offer does not come in Saban will keep Ricky. It is as simple as that.
 
Ricky's in great shape and has many years left in him. I don't think his age is a factor at all. I also don't think Saban is trying to trade up for Cutler. I think Saban is simply collecting draft picks to rebuild this team through the draft, nothing more.
 
FinFan57 said:
I hate the thought of losing Ricky, especially after the smoke has finally blown over and Ricky seems to have resurrected his career, but Saban is in full-wheel drive to upgrade this team. Perhaps with the AFC East virtually collapsing before our eyes and the hiring of both Capers and Mularkey, Saban smells blood.

I'm not sure Saban is orchestrating a trade with Denver, or whoever the best suitor may be, but I think has Saban has two objectives for the trade.

1) Saban did say at the end of the year that he was somewhat perplexed at how to keep both Ronnie and Ricky in the game at the same time. Both backs played better individually than as a tandem. Saban may believe that having two feature backs in the same backfield sounds great on paper, but simply doesn't play out as well in reality. When you have a #2 pick like Ronnie Brown, with his incredible talent, you have to play him. In this case, Saban may believe that we will have addition by subtraction.

2) I don't think trading up for Cutler is a realistic possibility and I think Saban is simply trying to get a high draft pick for Ricky because this may be the best opportunity we will ever have to do that. Ricky could go south again and the desire to give Ronnie more playing time, plus the fact we need more players at other positions and can use the draft pick may have led Saban to finally pull the trigger. We all would like to see a first rounder for Ricky, but in truth, second round picks have been some of the most valuable picks in the NFL.



The only thing that makes me curious about the possibility of trading Ricky is that he is still relatively young, was extremely productive, a perfect citizen and most of all, he is very cheap. It just doesn't make sense to unload a player with those attributes unless Saban thinks this is a great draft and the Dolphins will be a better team in the long run.
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I think you have to look more at the fact that we have several holes to fill this offseason and if we can fill one of them by using an area of the team that has more than what we need, then by all means he'll do it... I said way back that the best situation for us would be for RW to come back after his suspension and re-prove his worth to the league. He's done that and Saban allowed that by insuring he got the carries to do it, it would have been easy to give the carries all to Ronnie since he was our big acquistion....

Well, the best case scenario has developed and now RW represents an additional LB, or CB or S or OL that we might not have gotten this offseason. He might also represent a way to move up and get one of the top 3 QBs.

I also don't think that Saban will leave to chance that we get whomever it is that he has targeted (assuming it's one of the 3 QBs). I still think he'll go after another FA QB (McCown, Kitna, Brooks or Ramsey [thru minor costing trade], or whoever) and then go after a Croyle or Jacobs or someone of that ilk in the draft. Keep in mind, that if RW is traded, I would guess that he'd be looking at a lower round RB as well, that he might not have had to look at...
 
I say if we can get one of the Broncos 1st rd picks, then send him on his way and say thanks for the memories. Ricky has already stated that he only wanted to play for a couple more seasons. I have forgiven Ricky, but I still don't feel like he wants to be in the NFL. That's why I say, if Denver wants to be dumb enough to give up a high-round pick for him, then ship him out.
 
there's tons of reasons to trade Ricky... we can use a high pick as ammo to trade up and grab our franchise QB, we could draft a great player in the upper rounds at a need or more needed position, we could draft another good player of the future

Ricky isn't a part of our future, he's 29 and will most likely retire in a few years. trading him for a high draft pick would be wonderful and help imrove the team. I beleive we are better off without him, Ronnie could get most of the carries and finally get in a good rythum and post those 100 yard, multiple TD games. a back needs to get in rythm to post 100 yard games on a consistent basis
 
for a 1st or 2nd i trade risky, i mean ricky, i love ricky and think he's a great asset to this team but this draft is deep and we need to get younger on both sides of the ball....
 
For a back that was out for a year he is 29 but still has the wheels!Its not old like hes 34!..Man watching ricky run last year I just dont see how anyone can get rid of a guy this proven and hard running for the unknown commodity of a low 2nd rounder .. It just seems unwise to me and I think Saban wont do it for anything but a sweet deal maybe thier second 1st rounder if we ship ricky and a third .anything else is a total loss! we gave up a LOT of high picks for ricky and heproved his worth last year when ronnie went down.Ronnie has only been a part timer in college and lets face it the nfl is alot tougher,I love ronnie but I am not convinced that he is ready to carry this team s the full time back everyone envisions..Having good depth at the backup posistions is essential to winning .
 
badfoot said:
For a back that was out for a year he is 29 but still has the wheels!Its not old like hes 34!..Man watching ricky run last year I just dont see how anyone can get rid of a guy this proven and hard running for the unknown commodity of a low 2nd rounder .. It just seems unwise to me and I think Saban wont do it for anything but a sweet deal maybe thier second 1st rounder if we ship ricky and a third .anything else is a total loss! we gave up a LOT of high picks for ricky and heproved his worth last year when ronnie went down.Ronnie has only been a part timer in college and lets face it the nfl is alot tougher,I love ronnie but I am not convinced that he is ready to carry this team s the full time back everyone envisions..Having good depth at the backup posistions is essential to winning .
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We would be improving the depth on this team by trading Ricky. Just not at RB
 
you know why saban WILL not might WILL trade ricky, because we have 2 great running backs and one mediocre QB whos old and a o line that needs help, you cant have 2 great running backs and no good QB thats stupid

so pretty much saban will trade ricky because hes not stupid
 
FinFan57 said:
I hate the thought of losing Ricky, especially after the smoke has finally blown over and Ricky seems to have resurrected his career, but Saban is in full-wheel drive to upgrade this team. Perhaps with the AFC East virtually collapsing before our eyes and the hiring of both Capers and Mularkey, Saban smells blood.

I'm not sure Saban is orchestrating a trade with Denver, or whoever the best suitor may be, but I think has Saban has two objectives for the trade.

1) Saban did say at the end of the year that he was somewhat perplexed at how to keep both Ronnie and Ricky in the game at the same time. Both backs played better individually than as a tandem. Saban may believe that having two feature backs in the same backfield sounds great on paper, but simply doesn't play out as well in reality. When you have a #2 pick like Ronnie Brown, with his incredible talent, you have to play him. In this case, Saban may believe that we will have addition by subtraction.

2) I don't think trading up for Cutler is a realistic possibility and I think Saban is simply trying to get a high draft pick for Ricky because this may be the best opportunity we will ever have to do that. Ricky could go south again and the desire to give Ronnie more playing time, plus the fact we need more players at other positions and can use the draft pick may have led Saban to finally pull the trigger. We all would like to see a first rounder for Ricky, but in truth, second round picks have been some of the most valuable picks in the NFL.



The only thing that makes me curious about the possibility of trading Ricky is that he is still relatively young, was extremely productive, a perfect citizen and most of all, he is very cheap. It just doesn't make sense to unload a player with those attributes unless Saban thinks this is a great draft and the Dolphins will be a better team in the long run.
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Like I have said a thousand times before. If Ricky goes, where does that leave our backfield IF Ronnie gets hurt. I think from a depth standpoint, Saban keeps Ricky. We are all forgetting that Ricky isn't just here to supplement our running game. He is here to maintain the ground attack so the passing game can open up. Trading Ricky will do more than deplete the RB position. It will change the flexibility of the passing game. Here's an example. Say it is 3rd and 10, and were on the opponents' 40 yard line. It's the 8th or 9th play of the drive. would you rather have Ronnie in after carrying the ball for 5 or 6 plays out of that drive to block on a play action fake, or have him fresh, or have Ricky in, to pick up the blocking, with fresh strentgh at a crucial point in the drive. They are both in great shape, and injuries were limited because of the dual roles they shared. Ricky is more valuable to the offense because of that one scenario, and there are several scenarios where having both Ronnie and Ricky give the offense more flexibilty. We simply can't depend on our 3rd and 4th backs for that responsibility. So that's one angle I look at.
 
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