why the bleep did we draft pat white...

[McMichael]

WHY are we not playing Pat White at all?

Why did we waste a 2'nd round pick on this kid if we're not even gonna see what he can do.. I believe he was in the game for 1 play on monday? and maybe 3 plays the week before that?

So far all he's done is run for 0 yards and completely overthrow a wide-open (and probably wide-eyed) Ginn streaking down the field ..... BUT THATS OK... HES A ROOKIE.

I expected things like that to happen, he had to be nervous when he air-mailed that deep ball, but still, we need to keep giving him chances not cut down his play count!! You don't just stop playing him because he overthrew one pass! ( which by the way was ridiculously wide open and woulda been a TD 100%)

Why would we draft him so high if we're not even going to give him a legitimate chance to make plays?

He needs at least 7-8 snaps this week and needs to get the work in otherwise it was a completely wasted pick....

We need to give this kid a REAL CHANCE for two reasons.. The most important reason is that he's an elusive runner with a big arm who can make plays... and the second reason is because we drafted him so high!!! he's supposed to be the future of this team... The coaching staff needs to give him a real chance not 1 snap.

 

[electrolyte]

we used him for 1 play, and it was a handoff to a running back

i agree with you.

 

[dolpns13]

Why the hell did we waste a 2'nd round pick on this kid if we're not even gonna see what he can do.. I believe he was in the game for 1 play on monday? and maybe 3 plays the week before that?

So far all he's done is run for 0 yards and completely overthrow a wide-open Ginn streaking down the field for an easy score...

Now, I expected things like that to happen, he had to be nervous when he air-mailed that deep ball, but still, we need to keep giving him chances not cut down his play count!! Why would we draft him so high if we're not even going to give him a legitimate chance to make plays?

He needs at least 7-8 snaps this week and needs to get the work in otherwise it was a completely wasted pick....

How about turner.. we drafted him in the 3rd round and the guy we drafted in the 4th round has two games and 4 more receptions more than he does..

 

[fishypete]

Like Doc Frankenstein..the Dolphins are trying to make **** of something.

Instead of letting him be himself...the Dolphins want him to become a "normal" QB and like those many other attempts that teams have tried to re-make other QB's that don't fit that "normal" description...they also will fail...and that will be a shame.

 

[McMichael]

I agree with you but the old cliche is that a receivers first year is always the hardest, I suppose hartline is an exception so far as he seemed to pick up the offense quite fast..

But still we didn't draft Pat White as a developmental receiver like we did with Turner... it's a different situation, we drafted him as an immediate impact play-maker

We drafted him specifically for his running ability and his throwing ability, and yet we're not even giving him any chances to show what he can do with the ball in his hands.

I don't even have a problem with drafting him so high since I think he's gonna do well this year, but why the hell aren't we playing him more? ESPECIALLY against an average colts defense where we could have used a deep pass to keep them honest up front...

 

[JT-forpresident]

you guys clearly don't understand what they're trying to do with him...

this is the same formation he played in college, pat white did an EXCELLENT job so far of reading the defensive ends and handing off to the running back instead of keeping it ... don't worry, one day one of those ends will bite inside and pat will do what he's done for years

 

[McMichael]

you guys clearly don't understand what they're trying to do with him...

this is the same formation he played in college, pat white did an EXCELLENT job so far of reading the defensive ends and handing off to the running back instead of keeping it ... don't worry, one day one of those ends will bite inside and pat will do what he's done for years

is this post a joke?? If he got 10 snaps last game then I would have agreed with you 100%, but the whole point of my post is that he's not even getting a chance to show what he can do....

 

[dolpns13]

I agree with you but the old cliche is that a receivers first year is always the hardest, I suppose hartline is an exception so far as he seemed to pick up the offense quite fast..

But still we didn't draft Pat White as a developmental receiver like we did with Turner... it's a different situation, we drafted him as an immediate impact play-maker

We drafted him specifically for his running ability and his throwing ability, and yet we're not even giving him any chances to show what he can do with the ball in his hands.

I don't even have a problem with drafting him so high since I think he's gonna do well this year, but why the hell aren't we playing him more? ESPECIALLY against an average colts defense where we could have used a deep pass to keep them honest up front...

Personally, it scares the **** out of me everytime i see him on the field.. He kills momentum. What scares me the most though, is I have no idea whatsoever what kind of play we are going to run, but moreso, the opinion of mine that no matter what we call, I have my doubts that he will be able to make a play at all.

 

[phintim]

IMO They need to have White air it out on his limited exposure to open up the run a bit more. I kinda think that is the plan but they are trying to get his feet wet slowly and basically what they are doing with him shows they are not confident enough to really use him. Lets face it we certainly do not need an interception but you would think if they could give him a 2 -3 throwing option out of the wildcat and practice just that during the week he could get it done in the game. Have Ginn go deep, Hartline hit a middle route and Bess underneath.

Speaking of that last year Ronnie threw the ball a couple times in that Wildcat maybe it is about time to try that again.

 

[JT-forpresident]

is this post a joke?? If he got 10 snaps last game then I would have agreed with you 100%, but the whole point of my post is that he's not even getting a chance to show what he can do....

so you want to put a rookie quarterback in 5-6 snaps a game, and throw him to the wolves just like that and ask him to run the ball like he's ronnie running the wildcat ? because he's suposed to be a playmaker ? that's what most people envisioned when they heard we had drafted white...

Pat white was a quarterback that became a playmaker when plays were going wrong, and took off running or bought extra time in the pocket. He was also the pillar of that spread offence scheme.

That's exactly where they're putting him in our offence... they're using him EXACTLY like he was used at WV, and that should be the case, what better way to showcase his talent like you mention, and ease him into the NFL than to hand him a 2.0 version of his WV playbook ? Like it or not, i think it's the way to go and i surely ain't the only one...

btw, pat white is lined up in the wildcat instead of chad, so if you want some white wrinkles you'll probably see some from that formation a few times this year, but you can't call reverse flea flickers or triple reverses from the wildcat all season long... ...


in general all i want to say is, chill out, this guy played his 2nd game as a pro... give it a little time

 

[McMichael]

so you want to put a rookie quarterback in 5-6 snaps a game, and throw him to the wolves just like that and ask him to run the ball like he's ronnie running the wildcat ? because he's suposed to be a playmaker ? that's what most people envisioned when they heard we had drafted white...

Pat white was a quarterback that became a playmaker when plays were going wrong, and took off running or bought extra time in the pocket. He was also the pillar of that spread offence scheme.

That's exactly where they're putting him in our offence... they're using him EXACTLY like he was used at WV, and that should be the case, what better way to showcase his talent like you mention, and ease him into the NFL than to hand him a 2.0 version of his WV playbook ? Like it or not, i think it's the way to go and i surely ain't the only one...

btw, pat white is lined up in the wildcat instead of chad, so if you want some white wrinkles you'll probably see some from that formation a few times this year, but you can't call reverse flea flickers or triple reverses from the wildcat all season long... ...


in general all i want to say is, chill out, this guy played his 2nd game as a pro... give it a little time

I understand your points but the only thing I was mad about was his usage going DOWN from game 1 to game 2... almost as if that deep ball to Ginn alone was enough to shake their trust in him. and we were against a worse defense week 2

 

[Never say die]

Oh Goody.. another chance for me to promote this novel concept.
Ahem, ..... 1.) We Platoon the QB's. (oh wait we're already doing that in effect while running the Wildcat). 2.) We use 1st and 2nd down to primarily run the ball and pass on third down for short yardage conversion using the most accurate QB in the game's history to convert. (That would be Pennington) 3.) Get your most talented on the field at the same time as it keeps the defense guessing and adds diversity of play sets. (well we say we're doing this, but in reality we need to take it a step further).

Conclusion: A.) We've been platooning the QB's all wrong. We should be platooning them in the inverse way than we have been up to now! We should be bringing in P White on first and second downs to at LEAST give the defense the threat of the long ball. Even if all he will primarily do is hand off to our strengths (the runningbacks) and on occasion (surprise!, he'll read a defense and pass on first or second down....... I guess he can't be a "momentum killer" if he's just doing what Pennington was doing in handing off, and he shouldn't screw that up!, should he?) and,
B.) Bring in the most accurate QB in the history of the game to hit the short possession type routes on third downs. (Ask yourself: did Penny become the most accurate by hitting the long ball?) No, short dinks and dunks...It's what he does best folks!

Think of the possibilites now, Penny on hurry-up offense, and hitting virtually every 3rd down conversion requirement. And Pat White's skill set to run the Wildcat at the decoy or receiver position or from the traditional set on first and second down. Note: Ronnie still heads up the Wildcat!
...."But, duh won't this impede his development?" -
No genius, not anymore than riding the pine would do.
.... "But, how'd you 'spect Pennington would stay hot, isn't this taking the ball out of our best QB's hand?" -
Not anymore than the Wildcat is and platooning PW in now as we've been doing, would. In fact it completely makes sense in that Penny's skill set is as a leader and a QB that plays within himself. This strategy allows him to play to his strengths and develope our future QB's in the process.

"But Pat White sux, and is a waste of a draft pick."
- Well, the trifecta must see something in that he's active and Henne carries the clipboard. And besides, for what we are asking of White on these limited downs, I'm actually not opposed to Henne being that QB, if indeed the coaches feel he brings the most upside and can keep the safeties honest in respecting the long ball potential.
" But can't Penny do it all, didn't you see him overthrow Ginn, our only legit field stretcher?
- Penny can launch them on occasion but all one needs to look at are his passes on the deep outs. Not his forte. The safeties are playing run first, and adjust to reading pass while on the run from back to front. This means they expect everything in front of them. Watch and let me know when the next time you see a safety bail deep because he's read Penny targeting a receiver over the safety. Think Ed Reed in the playoff game. It's a lot easier running forward than it is backwards. White and Henne require the safety to play honest and make his reads while honoring his deep half or third responsibility.
And, if we are playing in a "Run First" or "run to set up the play action pass" offense, what will it hurt to let the QB with the most aptitude get his reps in this manner... Again we are already platooning them! Unfortuantely though, in an inverse manner..

 

[fishypete]

so you want to put a rookie quarterback in 5-6 snaps a game, and throw him to the wolves just like that and ask him to run the ball like he's ronnie running the wildcat ? because he's suposed to be a playmaker ? that's what most people envisioned when they heard we had drafted white...

Pat white was a quarterback that became a playmaker when plays were going wrong, and took off running or bought extra time in the pocket. He was also the pillar of that spread offence scheme.

That's exactly where they're putting him in our offence... they're using him EXACTLY like he was used at WV, and that should be the case, what better way to showcase his talent like you mention, and ease him into the NFL than to hand him a 2.0 version of his WV playbook ? Like it or not, i think it's the way to go and i surely ain't the only one...

btw, pat white is lined up in the wildcat instead of chad, so if you want some white wrinkles you'll probably see some from that formation a few times this year, but you can't call reverse flea flickers or triple reverses from the wildcat all season long... ...


in general all i want to say is, chill out, this guy played his 2nd game as a pro... give it a little time

I'm a Pat White supporter from day one...before he was even drafted...but I too have to wonder why the Dolphins are restricting him...and they are. Lets face a little reality here...White doesn't need wrinkles...perhaps the Dolphins do...but White ran the same offense for over 4 years...and he did just fine. Except for one pass...he has handed off every time he has been in the offense...not once has he looked to run...or to throw...just handed off. I wonder why you would want to ease him in? If you wanted to change him into something he's not...you may want to ease him in...but he knows far better than anyone including the Dolphin coaching staff..how to play the spread offense.

 

[Rhody Phins Fan]

Oh Goody.. another chance for me to promote this novel concept.
Ahem, ..... 1.) We Platoon the QB's. (oh wait we're already doing that in effect while running the Wildcat). 2.) We use 1st and 2nd down to primarily run the ball and pass on third down for short yardage conversion using the most accurate QB in the game's history to convert. (That would be Pennington) 3.) Get your most talented on the field at the same time as it keeps the defense guessing and adds diversity of play sets. (well we say we're doing this, but in reality we need to take it a step further).

Conclusion: A.) We've been platooning the QB's all wrong. We should be platooning them in the inverse way than we have been up to now! We should be bringing in P White on first and second downs to at LEAST give the defense the threat of the long ball. Even if all he will primarily do is hand off to our strengths (the runningbacks) and on occasion (surprise!, he'll read a defense and pass on first or second down....... I guess he can't be a "momentum killer" if he's just doing what Pennington was doing in handing off, and he shouldn't screw that up!, should he?) and,
B.) Bring in the most accurate QB in the history of the game to hit the short possession type routes on third downs. (Ask yourself: did Penny become the most accurate by hitting the long ball?) No, short dinks and dunks...It's what he does best folks!

Think of the possibilites now, Penny on hurry-up offense, and hitting virtually every 3rd down conversion requirement. And Pat White's skill set to run the Wildcat at the decoy or receiver position or from the traditional set on first and second down. Note: Ronnie still heads up the Wildcat!
...."But, duh won't this impede his development?" -
No genius, not anymore than riding the pine would do.
.... "But, how'd you 'spect Pennington would stay hot, isn't this taking the ball out of our best QB's hand?" -
Not anymore than the Wildcat is and platooning PW in now as we've been doing, would. In fact it completely makes sense in that Penny's skill set is as a leader and a QB that plays within himself. This strategy allows him to play to his strengths and develope our future QB's in the process.

"But Pat White sux, and is a waste of a draft pick."
- Well, the trifecta must see something in that he's active and Henne carries the clipboard. And besides, for what we are asking of White on these limited downs, I'm actually not opposed to Henne being that QB, if indeed the coaches feel he brings the most upside and can keep the safeties honest in respecting the long ball potential.
" But can't Penny do it all, didn't you see him overthrow Ginn, our only legit field stretcher?
- Penny can launch them on occasion but all one needs to look at are his passes on the deep outs. Not his forte. The safeties are playing run first, and adjust to reading pass while on the run from back to front. This means they expect everything in front of them. Watch and let me know when the next time you see a safety bail deep because he's read Penny targeting a receiver over the safety. Think Ed Reed in the playoff game. It's a lot easier running forward than it is backwards. White and Henne require the safety to play honest and make his reads while honoring his deep half or third responsibility.
And, if we are playing in a "Run First" or "run to set up the play action pass" offense, what will it hurt to let the QB with the most aptitude get his reps in this manner... Again we are already platooning them! Unfortuantely though, in an inverse manner..

If we did this platoon with White playing 1st and 2nd down then we would get killed. We would be starting an extremely raw rookie quarterback and teams would stop the run and force him to pass, which I highly doubt would work too well. Then we would end up with Pennington playing in 3rd and long, which isn't exactly a strength of his.

 

[Avigatorx]

I think that we are breaking him in wrong.

I really think we should be breaking him in the way the Patriots are breaking in Edleman.

Pat White should be used as a receiver. This way you can line him up at WR, put him in motion, use reverses, etc....

Only then will his abilities be used to their fullest.

Having him take the snap isnt even the wildcat, it is more of an option offense. (I havent examined the formation closely enough to tell if we are even using an unbalanced line when he comes in.)

If Pat White isnt a receiving threat and we line him up at QB taking the snap, then we are left with a poor-man's Michael Vick. There is no surprise or misdirection involved, and afterall, isnt that what he is supposed to bring to the table?

Who knows though, maybe Sparano is developing him properly and the Patriots are "doing it wrong." But on game day if the Patriots line Edleman up wide and he comes on an end around, gets the ball and throws deep, that will be alot more effective than us lining White up at QB, letting him roll out of the pocket and throwing deep.

Time will tell I guess. I would like to see the experiment end until we at least get a win though, unless they want to test his skills at WR.