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Why the sky may not be falling (or maybe it is) Chris Grier Edition

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Look I believe Grier should have been fired and it’s probably hard to find someone that doesn’t believe that. However if McDaniel’s and him can get on the same page that everyone else is in with fixing the line and trenches then maybe just maybe things can work out.

Let’s rewind to 2020. We drafted Tua and one of the first things Grier did was attempt to build him a line as 3 of the high picks were Jackson,Hunt and Eich. Yes Eich sucks but Hunt turned into a premier guard and Jackson is a solid tackle who apparently our run game depends on because it went to **** as soon as he got injured. He also drafted Tunsil, an all pro tackle. Yeah he fell to us but still record shows 3 out of 4 high pick linemen have been all pro to atleast above average players. Paul also appears to be a hit although early to tell but the tape has been positive so far. Could he be 4 out of 5?

If we look into free agency and the line, Grier signed Armstead as soon as he was available. Hes always hurt but it’s hard to pass up a player of his caliber and presence in the locker room when he’s available. We signed Connor Williams who was an elite center and now brewer who finished around as a top 5ish center this year. 3/3 on starter caliber price free agents.

My point is given the money and resources Grier has actually been solid to very good bringing in oline talent.

This year was always kind of a wash year, we were in cap hell and had to go bargain bin shopping and that he did finding gems like Campbell, Brooks, Fuller, Brewer. Had some duds like poyer and obj but that’s usually what happens when you shop at the dollar store for what you expect to be high impact players.

His comments about not being worried about the line rubbed people the wrong way but what was he supposed to say and what options did we have with negative cap?

None of this changes my opinion nor will it probably change anyone else’s nor should it but it’s why it could work if McDaniel’s and him are on the same page and agree we can’t scheme our way around a bad line (McDaniel’s philosophy) and they agree to fix it then this is a competitive football team that wins 11+ games.

With the 13th pick and a full draft of actually having picks in 1st,2nd,3rd, two 4ths and two 5ths along with same cap to work with, Miami has the picks and money to fix the line while giving Weaver some guys that fit his scheme rather than the patchwork roster we gave him this year.
 
We have yet to field a team with CORE PLAYERS who have actually had time to GEL. The jets did not beat us today. The green bay packers did. Thats what gelling as a team looks like albeit Sharon, Adam's, and lizard but they were on the same page. **** the jets.
 
I like your optimism, but we are going to suck again next season, nothing will change.

We will not be playing crappy ass teams like we did the past 2 years, we will play the AFC north ( balt, Pitt, Cinci, Cleveland ) and the nfc south ( tampa, atlanta, Carolina )

And we will play the vikings from what I read.

I think the pats and jets will be better with a new HC and QB
 
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Look I believe Grier should have been fired and it’s probably hard to find someone that doesn’t believe that. However if McDaniel’s and him can get on the same page that everyone else is in with fixing the line and trenches then maybe just maybe things can work out.

Let’s rewind to 2020. We drafted Tua and one of the first things Grier did was attempt to build him a line as 3 of the high picks were Jackson,Hunt and Eich. Yes Eich sucks but Hunt turned into a premier guard and Jackson is a solid tackle who apparently our run game depends on because it went to **** as soon as he got injured. He also drafted Tunsil, an all pro tackle. Yeah he fell to us but still record shows 3 out of 4 high pick linemen have been all pro to atleast above average players. Paul also appears to be a hit although early to tell but the tape has been positive so far. Could he be 4 out of 5?

If we look into free agency and the line, Grier signed Armstead as soon as he was available. Hes always hurt but it’s hard to pass up a player of his caliber and presence in the locker room when he’s available. We signed Connor Williams who was an elite center and now brewer who finished around as a top 5ish center this year. 3/3 on starter caliber price free agents.

My point is given the money and resources Grier has actually been solid to very good bringing in oline talent.

This year was always kind of a wash year, we were in cap hell and had to go bargain bin shopping and that he did finding gems like Campbell, Brooks, Fuller, Brewer. Had some duds like poyer and obj but that’s usually what happens when you shop at the dollar store for what you expect to be high impact players.

His comments about not being worried about the line rubbed people the wrong way but what was he supposed to say and what options did we have with negative cap?

None of this changes my opinion nor will it probably change anyone else’s nor should it but it’s why it could work if McDaniel’s and him are on the same page and agree we can’t scheme our way around a bad line (McDaniel’s philosophy) and they agree to fix it then this is a competitive football team that wins 11+ games.

With the 13th pick and a full draft of actually having picks in 1st,2nd,3rd, two 4ths and two 5ths along with same cap to work with, Miami has the picks and money to fix the line while giving Weaver some guys that fit his scheme rather than the patchwork roster we gave him this year.
enough with the rose colored glasses stuff. have been hearing the same thing for 25 years. can't we just admit this sucks, and more of the same, and there is really nothing to look forward to. why keep doing the same. einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. just call a spade a spade. ross sucks, grier sucks, and this thing is going nowhere.
 
I like your optimism, but we are going to suck again next season, nothing will change.

We will not be playing crappy ass teams like we did the past 2 years, we will play the AFC north ( balt, Pitt, Cinci, Cleveland ) and the nfc south ( tampa, atlanta, Carolina )

And we will play the vikings from what I read.

I think the pats and jets will be better with a new HC and QB

Too early to tell for schedules. Everyone thought our schedule was going to be brutal this year then the jets, browns, 9ers ended up sucking and we ended with the easiest schedule.

No vikings.

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  • Buffalo Bills
  • New England Patriots
  • New York Jets
  • Baltimore Ravens
  • Cincinnati Bengals
  • Los Angeles Chargers
  • New Orleans Saints
  • Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • Washington Commanders
Away
  • Bills
  • Patriots
  • Jets
  • Cleveland Browns
  • Pittsburgh Steelers
  • Atlanta Falcons
  • Carolina Panthers
  • Indianapolis Colts
Jets and Pats are a mess with no fix in sight. We also have most of the tougher games and toss up games at home.

Unfortunately it’s the same as every year, can Tua stay healthy if so I see 11/12 wins if we improve the line and tweak the defense. If not we are screwed again.
 
We need TA to retire or assign him as a post June 1st cut. He cannot be relied on anymore, and honestly he looks like he's in a lot of pain so why TA, why do it anymore?

From there, I would at least say I have Brewer, Jackson, and Paul to work with. Wynn could be a cheap re-sign, and with a decent draft slot we could have the chance to get a good OL prospect in the early rounds.

At this point I could at least say we have a serviceable line, and maybe draft a swing tackle prospect or bargain bin for backup guards and tackles in FA.

I actually thought Paul looked pretty good at RT, and that is technically Tua's blindside so with the 1st round pick I could grab a starting LT.

My line would be in this scenario: Rookie LT, Wynn, Brewer, Jackson, Paul
 
We regressed and were supposed to buy it’ll just be better next year? Why? What elements suggests it will be better?

I mean it’s in the post. We were cap strapped this year and forced to build a team with little resources. We’ll be in much better situation this offseason plus have a 1st,2nd, 3rd, 2 4th and 2 5ths to work with in the draft.
 
We regressed and were supposed to buy it’ll just be better next year? Why? What elements suggests it will be better?
Chubbs and Phillips for a start.

The hopium that they will sign/draft a couple of guards who are at least league average instead of starting 2 backup/practice squad calibre guys all year.

Other than that, nothing. It's going to be more of the same, with us hoping that 6 or 7 of our 10 best players don't end up injured by the season end like the last 2 years.
 
We need TA to retire or assign him as a post June 1st cut. He cannot be relied on anymore, and honestly he looks like he's in a lot of pain so why TA, why do it anymore?

From there, I would at least say I have Brewer, Jackson, and Paul to work with. Wynn could be a cheap re-sign, and with a decent draft slot we could have the chance to get a good OL prospect in the early rounds.

At this point I could at least say we have a serviceable line, and maybe draft a swing tackle prospect or bargain bin for backup guards and tackles in FA.

I actually thought Paul looked pretty good at RT, and that is technically Tua's blindside so with the 1st round pick I could grab a starting LT.

My line would be in this scenario: Rookie LT, Wynn, Brewer, Jackson, Paul
Wynn is unreliable, Jackson @ guard no thank you
 
Look I believe Grier should have been fired and it’s probably hard to find someone that doesn’t believe that. However if McDaniel’s and him can get on the same page that everyone else is in with fixing the line and trenches then maybe just maybe things can work out.

Let’s rewind to 2020. We drafted Tua and one of the first things Grier did was attempt to build him a line as 3 of the high picks were Jackson,Hunt and Eich. Yes Eich sucks but Hunt turned into a premier guard and Jackson is a solid tackle who apparently our run game depends on because it went to **** as soon as he got injured. He also drafted Tunsil, an all pro tackle. Yeah he fell to us but still record shows 3 out of 4 high pick linemen have been all pro to atleast above average players. Paul also appears to be a hit although early to tell but the tape has been positive so far. Could he be 4 out of 5?

If we look into free agency and the line, Grier signed Armstead as soon as he was available. Hes always hurt but it’s hard to pass up a player of his caliber and presence in the locker room when he’s available. We signed Connor Williams who was an elite center and now brewer who finished around as a top 5ish center this year. 3/3 on starter caliber price free agents.

My point is given the money and resources Grier has actually been solid to very good bringing in oline talent.

This year was always kind of a wash year, we were in cap hell and had to go bargain bin shopping and that he did finding gems like Campbell, Brooks, Fuller, Brewer. Had some duds like poyer and obj but that’s usually what happens when you shop at the dollar store for what you expect to be high impact players.

His comments about not being worried about the line rubbed people the wrong way but what was he supposed to say and what options did we have with negative cap?

None of this changes my opinion nor will it probably change anyone else’s nor should it but it’s why it could work if McDaniel’s and him are on the same page and agree we can’t scheme our way around a bad line (McDaniel’s philosophy) and they agree to fix it then this is a competitive football team that wins 11+ games.

With the 13th pick and a full draft of actually having picks in 1st,2nd,3rd, two 4ths and two 5ths along with same cap to work with, Miami has the picks and money to fix the line while giving Weaver some guys that fit his scheme rather than the patchwork roster we gave him this year.
8 plus yrs of Grier & you believe this guy can build you a Super Bowl roster? Good luck sir!
 
I mean it’s in the post. We were cap strapped this year and forced to build a team with little resources. We’ll be in much better situation this offseason plus have a 1st,2nd, 3rd, 2 4th and 2 5ths to work with in the draft.
Could you quantify this bit about being in a much better situation this offseason please?

From what I can see we have:

- No Backup QB contracted
- Been pretty much forced into moving Hill
- Only 3 WRs contracted
- No guards contracted
- A decision to make on Mostert, Smythe and Sanders
- A decision to make on Armstead if he doesn't make it himself
- One DL contracted
- One off ball Linebacker contracted
- Zero starting Safeties contracted
- Phillips' rehab
- Chubb earning an absolute wedge having not been near a football field for 18 months, pushing 30 years old.
- A reliance on Cam Smith coming good because he offers no cap relief and there's no money to pay someone better to take his snaps.

And even after we cut the guys that'll offer immediate cap relief (Smythe, Mostert) we'll only have about $16m to spend in Free Agency.

Even if we bite the bullet on Armstead or he retires, his cap relief will only really pay for rookie contracts post June 1st. The Hill trade will likely have to come after June 1st too or it'll cost us more to move him than keep him cap-wise, unless they can get over that with restructuring.

The only way to create more space is to push guarantees forward, which is of course plausible but creates an even bigger, similar problem in 12 and / or 24 months time. Without Hill we have almost nothing elite on the entire roster. Those that are elite are either the wrong side of 30 (Ramsey) or only tend to play 50% of games (Tua, Armstead).

I can't really see any way we're in a better situation, pretty much a similar situation to last year but more cap strapped and more holes to fill. And if we 'go again' this offseason it'll be the same but worse next year too AND you can wave bye bye to Phillips.

And that's not even touching on the fact we've just re-committed to a head coach that has spent the entire season shrinking away from everything he was once about and playing 95% of our offense in front of the defense. About 60% of it behind the line of scrimmage.

I tend to try to be upbeat about this team any time I post but it's going to take something close to miraculous to turn this situation into a playoff appearance, let alone a playoff win.
 
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