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Why We are Stuck Down in the Dumps as a Franchise

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I was going to simply reply to the thread about hope, but after writing it I felt it was worth it's own thread to to explain what we do wrong as a franchise, how our entire philosophy is upside down:

Hope, to me, comes from knowing even an incompetent owner can luck out and get it right. And then Ross did. As his last choice he got Hickey, sure. Who cares. And then he quickly unmade it and replaced him with a proven incompetent. What do you do in that situation. It's the utter perfection of incompetence. A true beaut.

See, even if we get the right coach it doesn't matter. Because we're going to do the same thing we've done for years now: get some high-profile FAs to energize the fan base. And they're going to be so highly paid that because of that alone we will all soon be convinced they are THE guys. These two or three guys are going to solve all our problems single-handedly. Our new coach probably won't even want them if he's a good one, but it doesn't matter because he won't be a good one. The good ones know how you build a winner and they know it's just not the way we operate. They know we wouldn't know a proper way to operate even if it fell right in our laps (which it did and we didn't). They know we simply can't stand operating in an efficient way. Won't stand for it.

The thing is it doesn't work that way. It never has. The better franchises out there don't even do a heck of a lot in FA: you know who they are. They build a core through the draft and then add a few valuable pieces to it. These pieces operate at 100% because they're in the right framework. We, on the other hand, always aim to find our core players and try to fill every other hole through FA. We aim to be the offseason Super Bowl winners. Heck, we win it nearly every year. And we will again this year, I've no doubt about it. But our pieces never operate at 100%. They operate at 0-50% because we don't have the right framework for them. We are simply not prepared to put them in the best possible situation to take advantage of their talent. To make it even worse, they probably knew that themselves from the beginning but they don't care because they're getting the money! And that's even before you get to the fact that some of them simply stink, like Wheeler and Ellerbe. And yet even they were very productive in their original teams.

That's how we find ourselves squandering an enormous amount of resources every year in FA. Suh? Has maybe 50% of the impact he used to. Ellerbe? 5%. Wallace? 35%. Cameron Jordan? 20%. Yet we pay them way more than their original teams did. You know, back when they actually had full impact. Do you see the flaw in the plan yet? We get half the production at twice the price! And that's not coaching, folks. It's NOT coaching. It's not coaching because you need the right scheme, and even if the coaches are willing to accommodate our newest acquisition, to play the right scheme you need the right players. Eleven of them. And you can't just make them appear out of the blue. Part of that is your GM of the week just went and spent all his cash on the central piece without bothering with the supporting cast first.

Nothing wrong with many of those players. Nothing wrong with Suh or Wallace. But you have to build the right framework first. The hard way. Through the draft. Slowly and painfully. Which is what Hickey got and the very reason he's gone. And part of that is that fans don't want to hear it. And yet there they'll be the very next year threatening to set the building on fire. So sad.


And that is why it's the least hopeful I've ever been at the end of a season as a fan. I just don't see how we can even luck into fixing it. We're hell-bent on failing with flair.
 
I don't believe we are in the dumps as a franchise, nor do I think we are any better or worse off than 20 other franchises heading into next season.

only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs, most teams that don't are left feeling like something is wrong with their team that other franchises have figured out.

Hog wash, this is a cyclical business and there is no telling when a team like Cleveland will hit on both a coach and QB and suddenly be the new seahawks where they appear dominant out of no where and have an impressive run.

The Indianapolis Colts are the definition of this, you have a drug addicted owner who was spared jail time due to his deep pockets, yet they've been to two superbowls recently and have a prized QB who might take them to a few more.

Throw enough **** at the wall, eventually some will stick. Eventually it will be our turn. There are no curses, there is no such thing as bad luck, eventually it will be our turn and with every new season I will be the biggest homer ever.
 
I don't believe we are in the dumps as a franchise, nor do I think we are any better or worse off than 20 other franchises heading into next season.

only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs, most teams that don't are left feeling like something is wrong with their team that other franchises have figured out.

Hog wash, this is a cyclical business and there is no telling when a team like Cleveland will hit on both a coach and QB and suddenly be the new seahawks where they appear dominant out of no where and have an impressive run.

The Indianapolis Colts are the definition of this, you have a drug addicted owner who was spared jail time due to his deep pockets, yet they've been to two superbowls recently and have a prized QB who might take them to a few more.

Throw enough **** at the wall, eventually some will stick. Eventually it will be our turn. There are no curses, there is no such thing as bad luck, eventually it will be our turn and with every new season I will be the biggest homer ever.

We are a dumpster fire of a franchise. IMO and many others who are in the NFL only Cleveland is a worst franchise than ours. It has to change but I have no hope it will with Ross as the owner.
 
It's not down in the dumps, it's the definition of mediocre. They hire a new coach, make some progress, make terrible roster choices and have sub par to bad drafts, that rears it's ugly head 2 years later, then Miami has an awful year where everyone gets canned. Rinse and repeat.
 
And that is why it's the least hopeful I've ever been at the end of a season as a fan. I just don't see how we can even luck into fixing it. We're hell-bent on failing with flair.

I'm with you on this. I wish I could be optimistic, but I see the exact same patterns as I have with the other joke franchises of the league: Cleveland, Oakland (before Al Davis died), Washington (after Snyder took over, although they might finally be turning that ship around after 20 years). In fact at this point, I'd put us in the very bottom tier in a tie with Cleveland, who also has a few good pieces and absolutely nothing resembling an actual team, or coaching, or ability to find talent and so on.

So yeah, I just don't see anything to look forward to next year unless Ross somehow hires the right people through blind luck b/c it ain't gonna happen any other way. While I'm at it I might as well look forward to winning the lottery, the odds are just slightly worse.
 
I don't believe we are in the dumps as a franchise, nor do I think we are any better or worse off than 20 other franchises heading into next season.

only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs, most teams that don't are left feeling like something is wrong with their team that other franchises have figured out.

Hog wash, this is a cyclical business and there is no telling when a team like Cleveland will hit on both a coach and QB and suddenly be the new seahawks where they appear dominant out of no where and have an impressive run.

The Indianapolis Colts are the definition of this, you have a drug addicted owner who was spared jail time due to his deep pockets, yet they've been to two superbowls recently and have a prized QB who might take them to a few more.

Throw enough **** at the wall, eventually some will stick. Eventually it will be our turn. There are no curses, there is no such thing as bad luck, eventually it will be our turn and with every new season I will be the biggest homer ever.

Agree. Some of these franchises are getting help from the league... all in the name of marketing and the bottom line

We are a dumpster fire of a franchise. IMO and many others who are in the NFL only Cleveland is a worst franchise than ours. It has to change but I have no hope it will with Ross as the owner.

What about the Rams who were good in the late 70's, then w/ Martz, but haven't cracked .500 since 2003?
 
I was going to simply reply to the thread about hope, but after writing it I felt it was worth it's own thread to to explain what we do wrong as a franchise, how our entire philosophy is upside down:

Hope, to me, comes from knowing even an incompetent owner can luck out and get it right. And then Ross did. As his last choice he got Hickey, sure. Who cares. And then he quickly unmade it and replaced him with a proven incompetent. What do you do in that situation. It's the utter perfection of incompetence. A true beaut.

See, even if we get the right coach it doesn't matter. Because we're going to do the same thing we've done for years now: get some high-profile FAs to energize the fan base. And they're going to be so highly paid that because of that alone we will all soon be convinced they are THE guys. These two or three guys are going to solve all our problems single-handedly. Our new coach probably won't even want them if he's a good one, but it doesn't matter because he won't be a good one. The good ones know how you build a winner and they know it's just not the way we operate. They know we wouldn't know a proper way to operate even if it fell right in our laps (which it did and we didn't). They know we simply can't stand operating in an efficient way. Won't stand for it.

The thing is it doesn't work that way. It never has. The better franchises out there don't even do a heck of a lot in FA: you know who they are. They build a core through the draft and then add a few valuable pieces to it. These pieces operate at 100% because they're in the right framework. We, on the other hand, always aim to find our core players and try to fill every other hole through FA. We aim to be the offseason Super Bowl winners. Heck, we win it nearly every year. And we will again this year, I've no doubt about it. But our pieces never operate at 100%. They operate at 0-50% because we don't have the right framework for them. We are simply not prepared to put them in the best possible situation to take advantage of their talent. To make it even worse, they probably knew that themselves from the beginning but they don't care because they're getting the money! And that's even before you get to the fact that some of them simply stink, like Wheeler and Ellerbe. And yet even they were very productive in their original teams.

That's how we find ourselves squandering an enormous amount of resources every year in FA. Suh? Has maybe 50% of the impact he used to. Ellerbe? 5%. Wallace? 35%. Cameron Jordan? 20%. Yet we pay them way more than their original teams did. You know, back when they actually had full impact. Do you see the flaw in the plan yet? We get half the production at twice the price! And that's not coaching, folks. It's NOT coaching. It's not coaching because you need the right scheme, and even if the coaches are willing to accommodate our newest acquisition, to play the right scheme you need the right players. Eleven of them. And you can't just make them appear out of the blue. Part of that is your GM of the week just went and spent all his cash on the central piece without bothering with the supporting cast first.

Nothing wrong with many of those players. Nothing wrong with Suh or Wallace. But you have to build the right framework first. The hard way. Through the draft. Slowly and painfully. Which is what Hickey got and the very reason he's gone. And part of that is that fans don't want to hear it. And yet there they'll be the very next year threatening to set the building on fire. So sad.


And that is why it's the least hopeful I've ever been at the end of a season as a fan. I just don't see how we can even luck into fixing it. We're hell-bent on failing with flair.
You're 100% correct. Everyone seems to know that you have to build through the draft but we're insistent upon building through free agency.
 
I don't believe we are in the dumps as a franchise, nor do I think we are any better or worse off than 20 other franchises heading into next season.

only 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs, most teams that don't are left feeling like something is wrong with their team that other franchises have figured out.

Hog wash, this is a cyclical business and there is no telling when a team like Cleveland will hit on both a coach and QB and suddenly be the new seahawks where they appear dominant out of no where and have an impressive run.

The Indianapolis Colts are the definition of this, you have a drug addicted owner who was spared jail time due to his deep pockets, yet they've been to two superbowls recently and have a prized QB who might take them to a few more.

Throw enough **** at the wall, eventually some will stick. Eventually it will be our turn. There are no curses, there is no such thing as bad luck, eventually it will be our turn and with every new season I will be the biggest homer ever.

We absolutely are in the dumps! This franchise is terrible. Since 1992, when the Dolphins last went to the AFC Championship, every AFC team has been there except for the Bengals, Browns, and Texans. Even the friggin Jets have been to the AFC Championship THREE times! The Jags didn't even exist in 1992, and they've been to the AFC Championship TWICE!

That is the company we're in.
 
The franchise starts with the owner. Our owner is not a true fan of this franchise. He is a Jets fan.
His decisions are made through Jets lenses and his contacts are former jets employees.
 
As far as I'm concerned, even the Jimmy Johnson/Wannstedt (pre 2004) years were a rousing success compared to the garbage that calls itself Dolphins football today. The Dolphins lack of success is even more frustrating because the NFL is set up so everyone can have a chance at glory at least once a decade. This isn't baseball, where you can dupe your fans into buying into a "process" over 7 years. The Dolphins have squandered true "rebuilding" opportunities after the 2004 season, the 2007 season, and during the 2013 offseason. This organization just has an uncanny ability to always make the wrong decision all the time. Its perpetually a day late and a dollar short. There's no mystique or bad luck going on here. Its just a parade of poor decision-makers in positions where good decision-making is kind of a big deal.
 
I don't think we're in the dumps because of how many games we win -we've been average to below average for several years. I say we're in the dumps because we're run so poorly the top GM and HC candidates won't touch us.
 
I agree whole heartedly with the OP, but I don't not share his despair. While I don't think Ross is a genius, he is not a complete moron either. All he really has to do is step back and look at what the successful franchises are doing and have done over the last decade or so. As for not being able to get a quality coach, I don't buy it. There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the world. They are a highly coveted position and while we may not be able to get whoever we want, We most certainly can get a high quality character. Look at the Jets, they went from 4-12 to the playoff in one year with a coach with little head coaching experience that wasn't highly sought after. Who ever we bring in needs to emphasize process over talent. I hope Ross gets that. All we can do is sit back and hope.
 
The franchise starts with the owner. Our owner is not a true fan of this franchise. He is a Jets fan.
His decisions are made through Jets lenses and his contacts are former jets employees.

THIS!

Until Ross decides to sell to a TRUE fan, this team is in the dumps.
 
What about the Rams who were good in the late 70's, then w/ Martz, but haven't cracked .500 since 2003?

I didn't say Miami was the only one there are many dumpster fires and the Rams are one as well. However each franchise has a different degree of heat. Miami and Cleveland have the reputations of being the two worst because of the long history of dysfunction in the ownership and front office. We are now reading a little about this kind of thing going on in Indy as well but at least they have a QB that can win games so their "dysfunction" is hidden a bit because of their winning. Notice they haven't won this year and now we are hearing about it more. There's dysfunction that comes from poor personnel decisions with players and coaches ... a team like the Rams ... and there's dysfunction that comes from a complete mess in the leadership of team ... Miami and Cleveland.
 
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