Will Allen the primary TD culprit, not Hill?

[dolpns13]

I posted this in the Favre TD Lob thread but thought Id post it here ion hopes everyone saw it.

I was watching inside the NFL last night(on showtime-boy thats wierd) and while they replayed the Favre lob, I saw Will Allen STANDING about 5 feet away from stuckey. Allen was covering a man, then when Favre threw the pass and it was in the air, Allen pulled away from his man, ran close to Stuckey, stopped, let him catch it, then tried to push him a bit after he made the catch. Allen let him catch the TD pass. Stuckey was just standing there, Allen freakin watched stuckey make the catch. Yes, Hill broke coverage, but Allen 100% could have stopped the catch, and even could have been in position to intercept the pass... After seeing this replay, I am beginning to put more of the blame on Allen then on Hill.

I was so disgusted with Allen after seeing this. I pray to god the coaching staff noticed this and gave Allen the devils smack!!!

Pathetic display Allen, completely pathetic!!!

 

[burger13]

Will Allen definately could have delivered a hit....but it still probably would have been too late. Had he not slipped when he broke toward the ball he definately would have been there in time to break it up.

But I still place primary blame on Jason Allen and Renaldo Hill.....one or both missed their assignment.

 

[Raging Bull]

It was the safeties fault. You can see where, for some unknown reason, he runs up like he sees something, and leaves stuckey behind him.

I watched this as they ananylst were breaking it down. (I forget what show on ESPN)
But yeah, the safety has him covered, is like right next to him. Then for some reason runs about ten yards ro so up field. I dunno if he saw Porter closing in and thought it was a sack or what. But he totally left Stuckey all the way behind him to just wait at the goaline.

Everytime I see or think about that play, it makes me want to break things. I couldn't believe it.

 

[PhinFan0202]

It was Jason Allen who made that hit and it was Reynaldo Hill who was supposed to be covering. Go the NFL.com and check out the Gameday Highlights of the Dolphins vs. Jets. They try and say it was Y.Bell but you can clearly see it was Hill.

 

[burger13]

It was Jason Allen who made that hit and it was Reynaldo Hill who was supposed to be covering. Go the NFL.com and check out the Gameday Highlights of the Dolphins vs. Jets. They try and say it was Y.Bell but you can clearly see it was Hill.

Jason Allen was covering him initially and left him:

 

[Dr. Phin]

You can't blame Will for not coming off of his man fast enough to take care of someone else's responsibility. Will was with his man with his momentum taking him away from the play. He had to stop and change directions to get there...and with how high the ball was thrown, I am not sure he located it immediately. It wasn't as easy a play as you say. :shakeno:

Most of all...IT WASN'T HIS RESPONSIBILITY. Hill blew it...plain and simple.

 

[Dr. Phin]

Jason Allen was covering him initially and left him:

It looks like they were in a 4-deep zone. Jason passed him off to Hill as he came across the field. I believe Jason then help with Coles. Will Allen was with another receiver at the top of the screen (not shown.) Hill evacuated his zone with a man in it....

 

[GoonBoss]

With a duck like that it was ever secondary player's fault.

 

[dolpns13]

You can't blame Will for not coming off of his man fast enough to take care of someone else's responsibility. Will was with his man with his momentum taking him away from the play. He had to stop and change directions to get there...and with how high the ball was thrown, I am not sure he located it immediately. It wasn't as easy a play as you say. :shakeno:

Most of all...IT WASN'T HIS RESPONSIBILITY. Hill blew it...plain and simple.

The true, but Allen was right there. no more than 5 feet from Stuckey when the ball was in the air. From what I saw Allen definately could have made a play on the ball

 

[WVDolphan]

Jason Allen was covering him initially and left him:

Go figure

 

[WVDolphan]

It looks like they were in a 4-deep zone. Jason passed him off to Hill as he came across the field. I believe Jason then help with Coles. Will Allen was with another receiver at the top of the screen (not shown.) Hill evacuated his zone with a man in it....

Negative. This is a great find by burger13. It illistrates just what I was talking about on Monday. Hill does the right thing right here by jumping the route to prevent what would be a first down strike just before the would-be sack had Favre been able to fire. However, Favre notices Hill making the right adjustment and holds the ball while making a move to avoid the sack. J.Allen makes the critical error of helping on Coles when he shouldnt have because there was no way for Coles to get the ball considering the pressure on Favre. No way he can make that throw cross field to the back of the endzone if Coles cuts left and beats Goodman.

So just like I said on Monday. If you guys really want to see a bunch of blown coverages that absolutely kill us......play Jason Allen. He blows. Period. J.Allen should stayed with Stuckey while passing him along to Hill and been the over the top protection there. Thats why Favre, on a total non-miracle play, was able to find Stuckey for the score.

One thing that is worth mentioning that you cant kill the phins over is.....Favre just made an outstanding play there avoiding that sack and finding the open man. Him trying to downplay it or pass it off as dumb luck in the post game was just him being humble. I started realizing this late Tuesday the more that I saw the play.

EDIT: Actually J.Allen is supposed to stay with Stuckey and be there to break up the potential throw at the marker when Favre is initially pressured. Hill was supposed to be able to stay as the over the top protection. But, thanks to J.Allen blowing his coverage and worrying about Coles, Hill was forced to jump that route and defend against the possible first down strike....just as I said on Monday. However until, burger came with this photo, I never knew it was J.Allen who botched the whole play......I shouldve figured though. I didnt know that bum was even on the field on Sunday.

 

[Locke]

This is all heresay. No one on this board can say who was supposed to cover who, because we don't know the play that was called. It looks to be a zone, but it could also be a zone-man hybrid. We simply don't know. To blame Hill, Allen, or whomever is simply guessing......

 

[Gitrdone]

I find it funny how some blame J.Allen, when in fact Farve was being swarmed, there was no reason for Hill to be peaking into the backfield and dropping himself out of coverage. He left that area wide open.

 

[Dr. Phin]

Negative. This is a great find by burger13. It illistrates just what I was talking about on Monday. Hill does the right thing right here by jumping the route to prevent what would be a first down strike just before the would-be sack had Favre been able to fire.

WV...he goes forward and continues to go forward even after the receiver has crossed behind him. He is not going for a pick. At the point in time, Farve was about to...and should have...gone down. Your analysis is based on thinking that Hill was going for a pick...but it just isn't so...:shakeno:

 

[dolpns13]

I find it funny how some blame J.Allen, when in fact Farve was being swarmed, there was no reason for Hill to be peaking into the backfield and dropping himself out of coverage. He left that area wide open.

Actually, I find this to be a valid point. Not just the d-backs, but the entire defense whiffed on this play. Favre WAS in fact getting swarmed, and the defensive front should have sacked him to the ground long before he got a chance to throw that ball.

The entire defense is to blame.