Will Deon Dyer be forgotten??

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Something I have been thinking about...

Much has been said about the addition of Norv Turner, and what his system will bring to our offense in terms of versatility. It has also been said, that because of this Rob Konrad should be utilized more often and will be active in the passing game.

But, does this mean Deon Dyer will be forgotten?? should he be?? I mean, the idea of a 500 pound freight train of Dyer-Williams running over Linebackers and Defensive Backs makes me drool. Sure, Konrad does an "adequite" job as a blocker... but Deon Dyer is close to being THE top blocking back in the league. He usually will destroy his first man and keep running down the field making more and more blocks. Where Konrad on the other hand will simply hold the point of attack allowing the RB to turn the corner... at which point he will have to rely on blocking from the WR's or escaping from defenders on his own.

So, what is an offensive coordinator to do?? Keep a two-man rotation at fullback, making your play-calling a little more predictable... Keep Konrad in most of the time to make us of his pass-catching, and to make the offensive attack less predictable, but hurting the running game in the process... or try to teach Dyer to catch, or slap some stick-em on his gloves??
 

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Dyer will get his playing time. I'm not sure how, but Norv is the offensive genius, so I'm sure he already has it figured out. Just thinking about it, that a lot of hair coming at you with the duo of Dyer/Williams.....
 

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Dyer will probably be a backup, but his roster spot seems pretty secure.
 

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Goal Line situations, third and 1, and also when the defense is expecting run, you toss Dyer in there to REALLY make them think run, and then toss a little swing pass to him in the flat.

He will be used
 

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I remember earlier articles on Dyer off season pass catching..and if I remember correctly, it stated that he had really improved in that area. He must have because we let a FB go already from the roster..so the team much feel secure in who they have.
 

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Originally posted by MDFINFAN
I remember earlier articles on Dyer off season pass catching..and if I remember correctly, it stated that he had really improved in that area. He must have because we let a FB go already from the roster..so the team much feel secure in who they have.
Yup = Dyer was looking better last year until he broke his hand or wrist. For Dyer to get PT in the base O, he will have to prove to almost as good as pass catcher as Konrad. Do you remember Moose Johnston's backup ? We all know he is a better blocker and maybe it is the hair, but I would expect RW and DD to bond pretty good and present a great a marketing opportunity somewhere. :rolleyes:
 

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Deon Dyer is a devastating blocking FB. Probably one of the league's best. The guy is an old school bruiser who loves to hit people. He'd start for a lot of teams in this league. He and London Fletcher had a little tiff during the Rams game.
 

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Deon will see playing time as both a blocker and pass catcher. Reports are that he has improved his pass catching skills.
 

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Originally posted by bills711
Who is Deon Dyer?

You will know who he is once fletcher is on the floor from one Dyer blocks....:lol:
 

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Originally posted by minus


You will know who he is once fletcher is on the floor from one Dyer blocks....:lol:

Minus - That's both the truth and hilarious

:eek: Fletcher when he sees Deon coming his way
 

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Let me get you started on some thoughts. Lets start with the Chargers offensive ranking in 2000. Then the Chargers offensive ranking in 2001. Then go through and locate all the years that Turner's offense has been top 11 in the league. Then look at the # of Qb's who were ProBowlers while he was there and then look at how many ProBowls they have been to when he wasn't. Heck there are some people out there who thought Tampa should have gone with Norv all along. In his 4 years in Wahsington he had (5) 1000 yard wrs and (4) 1000 yard rbs. He was also the coach when Brad Johnson had a 4005 yard season. He like to to pound the ball down your throat, but at the same time run a wide open offense. Look at Troy's, Irvin's, Emmit's number while under Norv. He does a great job of using the talent he has, and catching the d off guard. Norv would love to run the ball all day long until the D stops the run; but unlike Chan Gailey, Norv actually has a sophisticated set of formations to help open up the passing game to more than just the WRs.

Statistically Norv will add 5-8 more completions per game than what we had under Chan Gailey. Most of those additional receptions will go to the RB and TE which means sustained drives and more points. Re-introducing the TE into the offensive gameplan and getting the ball into Ricky Williams' hands more should give us a more respectable passing game. The top WR will get 70 plus receptions. If Norv calls Chambers # 70+ times, the Phins passing game will be flat out dangerous. Let it be.

Well... how about this statistic?? Miami was 29th is the league in pass attempts last year with only 453 attempts. Dead last in the AFC at 16th. San Diego had 548 attempts for 11th in the NFL and 5th in the AFC. Thats nearly 100 more attempts, or 6.25 attempts per game. Like someone said... most of those are going to a TE or RB, but that is exactly what is needed to keep an opposing Defense off balance. Last year Chan Gailey had the most predeictable attack in the NFL last year. It was either a run straight up the gut or a pass to one of our starting WR's. Pretty easy to defend from a defensive standpoint. That will change this year. Defenses will be spread out more because of the variety of passes they will be seeing. They will have to look out for passes going to more than just our top WR's, and because of this it will open up the running game more. is that he actually wants the QB to throw his TE and RBs! Other than an occasional screen to Lamar Smith, Chan had no interest in doing that. IMO, Williams, Weaver, and Konrad could combine for 130 catches.

Norv Turner isn't dictated to in games, he dictates. This is the primary difference between Norv Turner and Chan Gailey. Chan Gailey's offense was, as you describe it, an offense that takes what the defense is giving us. It depends a lot on where the game is going. If the defense is stacking the box, we'll hit the air. If they are not, we still liked our chances of being able to pound Lamar Smith. It wasn't a BAD offense. It was a BAD running game, BAD OL, and BAD RB. Thats not Chan's fault, it was a personnel problem. Norv is different. His offense is not based on the life of the game, its based on WHAT THE TEAM DOES BEST. I've witnessed it plenty of times in Washington. He keeps the other team off balance by dictating to THEM what to do, and he does it amazingly enough with repetition. The truth of the matter is, and I know probably NOBODY has brought this up before, and for good downright homeristic reasons too, but Norv Turner's offense resembles pretty heavily Kippy Brown's offense. Yes, thats right, Kippy Brown. The problem with Kippy was he was a poor man's Norv Turner. He didn't use enough of the shifts, never got a feel for what plays his team had down and what plays they couldn't run, an he was absolutely HORRIBLE at playcalling during a game. Well Norv, is good at all of those things, but his offensive philosophy is basically the same just with those added skills. Remember that if it could be said that Jimmy Johnson had an offensive philosophy, it would be that you would be able to run the ball even when a team knew you were going to run it, but you just smacked them in the jowls and mowed them down anyway...and this offensive philosophy DERIVED FROM NORV TURNER'S SYSTEM IN DALLAS. Like I said he dictates to defenses, doesn't let defenses dictate to the offense. I think its riskier than taking what a defense gives, like Chan did, because if you try and dictate to the other team and yet your team is still poor at execution, you're not gonna be able to do it (see Kippy-ball). If I had to give Norv Turner's offense a style I would say a pro-set style with two backs, using the TE as a middle threat, running the ball up the gut an bouncing outside, with not too many spread formations, and WRs who have mostly intermediate and long routes not too many short routes. Also, he dictates to an offense, utilizing shifts when necessary to find out what a defense is doing, and above all he executes the plays which he is most comfortable that our team knows how to execute and execute well, rather than just calling the perfect play for the occasion despite not knowing if the team can execute it.

I just thought I reposted this earlier article from CK parrot!!
 

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Nice info on the Turner scheme.
 
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