William Hayes contract situation

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  1. DKphin

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    If he is willing to any reduction in salary, I would like to see him on the team next year. I know he is not get any younger, but he performed well.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article193816064.html
     
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    I thought William Hayes was a pretty good addition and we missed him after he went on IR. BTW - he doesn't come cheap. He's still good at setting the edge and teams pay for that.
     
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    That sounds like miamis looking for a strong side that can also play in tbe nickel

    If it’s the draft that sure sounds like tremaine Edmunds to me.

    Unless they are moving Raekwon which I’m seriously doubting

    Also sounds like kikos a 2018 plan a
     
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    Kiko as any plan A isin’t all that encouraging. Funny Hayden txted me a few hours ago and mentioned Edmunds.
     
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    Hayes is a free agent and one of the highest rated on the market. He didn't play well.....he played great. He isn't going anywhere cheap. His run stopping grade was in the 90's and he has always been and effective pass rusher.
     
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    I was impressed with what Hayes showed this year. One of the bright spots was his play, IMHO. We acquired him for nothing, he wasn't a media circus, he did exactly what he was projected to do--solid run defense and solid pass rush as a strong side DE mostly on early downs. Yes, he got injured and is old, but I'd definitely bring him back. When you have reasonably priced solutions, you don't throw them away, especially when your defense is subpar.

    Let's not lowball this guy, he delivered as advertised. That's rare for newly acquired vets these days.
     
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    We have nobody on the roster who is as stout against the run therefore we would be stupid not to bring him back.

     
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    I highly doubt he's back...we have Phillips,GodChaux & Vincent Taylor to rotate....GodChaux seems very promising.

    he will demand something in the 3-5 million range per year we don't have the cap for it.
     
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    As promising as those young DT’s are we still need a capable DE that can set the edge.

    Restructure Suh and make it work.
     
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    Our dline didn't set the world on fire with Hayes...the whole dline was underwhelming I don't want him back unless it's very cheap.

    Restructure Suh...Get O-Line or a LB or pay Landry.
     
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    Hayes was a nice addition. He was a force against the run, which is much needed with our reliance on smaller, quick DEs. I'd love to see him return if the back checks out and the belief is that he still has gas in the tank at 32. The good news is that his type of game holds up pretty well against Father Time - Id sign him for two years with an easy out in the third.
     
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    Edmunds is very good. In the bowl game I was focusing on Tim Settle because defensive tackle is my favorite position. But Settle showed up so fat and out of shape to that game he wasn't doing much of anything. So I switched to watching Edmunds. That is not a second round player. I don't know why some posts here recently have Edmunds slipping to us in the second round. I'd be very surprised at that, unless he flops the combine.

    Edmunds is more explosive going forward than either Roquan Smith or Rashaan Evans. He reminds me of some of the missiles that Atlanta has drafted recently on defense.
     
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    I agree. based on what he can do setting the edge, Miami would be wise to re-sign him.
    I hope we can acquire another player like him, he was one of the best additions overall last year
     
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    Yet he only averaged 42% of the defensive snaps
    you'd think such a great player would have received
    more playing time
     
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    It also seems Gase like is intrigued by Grant and his versatility. It's taken a while, but as far as I know, Grant is the only guy we have that can play all of the WR positions. Laundry really isn't an outside guy and doesn't seem like a real deep threat out there. I hope we see more of Grant. IMO, the guy has the IT factor and can really help us.
     
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    With some much of the NFL and the Dolphins are no exception, a DE who excels against the run and is moderate against the pass will get pulled for package play specialist. Guys who are the reverse of Hayes. Getting pressures get more snaps instead of being a complete 3down DE.
     
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    He has gotta play at a lower number if he wants to return.

    Can always use solid DE's, especially against the run, but you are looking at Branch/Wake/Harris/Malveaux as 4 guys you anticipate being DE's on your roster next year . . . you just really need one more guy and it is very possible that guy comes on day 1 or day 2 of the draft. You rather pay a rookie less than a million than give Hayes 4 million or more. Plus you may even bring Fede back for cheap as a special teams #5 DE. Just no rush here.
     
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    Thread title doesn’t do the amount of information in this Jackson article justice.

    The more I look at off the los lbs the more I think tremaine Edmunds if he runs well will be a top 20 to 25 grade guy.

    Making Hayes wait makes sense.

    Reading that article miamis looking for one piece at lb. Zach brown in free agency is the one market guy to really monitor
     
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    Kiko is definitely a starting option right now.

    We'll see if Anthony takes a step up from an instincts standpoint because that kid can run and brings an athleticism to the LB core we just haven't seen.

    But you draft LB top 11 or even top 42 . . . especially a guy you can place in coverage (Smith) . . . Kiko will get shifted, and if that same player from 2017 shows up, Miami will have to take the hit and see him in a reserve role until he gets cut in the 2019 offseason.

    But unlike most I haven't given up on Kiko . . he had a rough year, he will get a chance to redeem himself in 2018.
     
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    Kiko had a terrible year.....and I can't blame the hate he gets based on watching him in coverage all year being about 5 steps behind his receiver. But financially, he is going to be a big part of our LB situation in 2018 so we need to hope he does in fact redeem himself.
     
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    I was rooting for Kiko, but he looks so undersized at LB. I could understand he would never be the "thumper" against the run, but given how small he is I thought he could stay with TE's an running backs. I see very little upside with his play. Despite his salary, I would prefer he be a backup when the season starts next year.
     
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    About Hayes...

    He was easily our most disciplined DE this season, and I'm not talking about flags. Keep in mind, he ASKED the Fins to void next year's contract, I'd like to know why...

    About Kiko...

    I don't think his play fell off that much this year, but he was at the right place at the right time on a couple of plays last year, that resulted in TOs and big stops... None of that this year so all we got was normal Kiko... Which is kind of underwhelming...
     
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    at what point do we just say he sucks? Buff traded him, Phily traded him
     
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    Oh! I think he sucks and I thought he sucked last year... Was just being nice... Not starting a thread every day to inform every other poster that I think Kiko sucks doesnt mean I like him...
     
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    Very good against the run..

    To replace him I'd take Ferrel at #11, he's a pass rush freak and plays the run very well, I'd look at Wilkins too...Yes I'm a homer but those guys are legit studs..

    Wilkins can play strong side DE on 1st and 2nd down and rush from inside on 3rd, even rush from the outside on 3rd..Freak athlete and a super player..
     
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    I will say I do feel more comfortable with Allen and Anthony as depth at LB compared to previous years.
    Need more talent at LB, even with hoping R.M. is the real deal at MLB.
     
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    Thats the thing...the problems that Kiko had this year were there last year too. He just made enough flash plays (big pick vs SD, some TFLs in big down situations, getting on some loose balls) last year that the blemishes were not as obvious and ugly. For what it's worth, my luke warm take is if Kiko is your 3rd best LB, he's probably fine because his style will get you some flash plays and the better LBs can be used to cover his weaknesses. If he's the "stalwart" of the unit, you got problems.

    And nice jab on the thread comment...
     
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    The more I think about it the more I think moving down could be a big option. I’d wait to see if someone falls to us but if not, then moving down and then taking Edmunds late teens or early 20s could work

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Honestly, I could care less about splash plays and more about playing fundamentally sound football.
     
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    Hayes and Landry are two priority resigns. After that maaaybe Bobby MC but Verner would be a cheap resign if they don't go that route.
     
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    I could be wrong, but didn't Miami reduce Hayes' contract from two years down to one. If so, that just doesn't look like a good move.

    Could be the FO was pretty sure they'd find help in the draft and then could move on from Hayes.
     
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    Hayes was an underrated addition. we need to get him back
     

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