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X's & O's About the Unbalanced Line

I'm telling you guys, we may have something special in Coach Sparano.

Many fans had the idea that Parcells wanted to bring in a puppet for a coach so that by mid-season, Parcells would be calling the plays.....

Instead what we may have gotten was a PUPPET MASTER, who will eventually create his own saga and, who knows, maybe a few years from now, fans will be talking about "he came from the Sparano coaching tree"

Hey, he's already outsmarted the so-called mastermind of the NFL in Bellicheck....who else is there to outcoach??? ;)
 
Predaphin said:
I'm telling you guys, we may have something special in Coach Sparano.

Many fans had the idea that Parcells wanted to bring in a puppet for a coach so that by mid-season, Parcells would be calling the plays.....

Instead what we may have gotten was a PUPPET MASTER, who will eventually create his own saga and, who knows, maybe a few years from now, fans will be talking about "he came from the Sparano coaching tree"

Hey, he's already outsmarted the so-called mastermind of the NFL in Bellicheck....who else is there to outcoach??? ;)
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while his innovations brought a win to the dolphins, i don't think any of his "special schemes" (lets call it like that) can grow into a full-time sheme like, lets say, the patriot's spread offence (when brady ran it..)

unbalanced lines and wildcat formations are things you can adjust to, those Defensive coordinators are paid to avoid getting fooled by those kind of formations, and they will succeed, they are the 32 best defensive coaches in the nation (theorically speaking). The one thing i have yet to see is an effective professional scheme, like the pats', the colts', the Cowboys' , the rams' scheme when they won the SB... and i think we won't see it until henne hits the field, because clearly pennington's arm doesn't bond well with henning's approach. So i hold my judgment, for now, sparano is creating ways to generate an offence and you've gotta give him kudos, but the day i'll say "sparano is officially the guy i want for the next 5 plus years as the dolphins head coach" is the day henne will hit the field and we'll see an offensive scheme slowly becoming one of the best in the nation. Why won't i give him the nod right now ? because what we've seen and what i expect are two very different things. Some might think i'm being a "hater" or pessimist for that matter, but not at all. This offence's glass is half full, and i'm anxious to see the whole thing
 
I don't believe that any of these plays will become staples in the offense but the point is teams will never know what we may do next. The more wrinkles we have in our offense the harder it is to prepare for us, getting any type of edge on an opponent is what this is about.

We have a wonderful coaching staff with a solid FO to get the pieces to support a winning team every year. We just need to enjoy the baby steps and get ready for the sprints.
 
yay someone always has to be unintelligent and slip a penningtons arm str is holding us back from the superbowl into their post.

The one thing i have yet to see is an effective professional scheme, like the pats', the colts', the Cowboys' , the rams' scheme when they won the SB... and i think we won't see it until henne hits the field, because clearly pennington's arm doesn't bond well with henning's approach.
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Can you guys just like, not speak(type) for a season?

heres a tip. All those teams won with defense.
 
JT-forpresident said:
while his innovations brought a win to the dolphins, i don't think any of his "special schemes" (lets call it like that) can grow into a full-time sheme like, lets say, the patriot's spread offence (when brady ran it..)

unbalanced lines and wildcat formations are things you can adjust to, those Defensive coordinators are paid to avoid getting fooled by those kind of formations, and they will succeed, they are the 32 best defensive coaches in the nation (theorically speaking). The one thing i have yet to see is an effective professional scheme, like the pats', the colts', the Cowboys' , the rams' scheme when they won the SB... and i think we won't see it until henne hits the field, because clearly pennington's arm doesn't bond well with henning's approach. So i hold my judgment, for now, sparano is creating ways to generate an offence and you've gotta give him kudos, but the day i'll say "sparano is officially the guy i want for the next 5 plus years as the dolphins head coach" is the day henne will hit the field and we'll see an offensive scheme slowly becoming one of the best in the nation. Why won't i give him the nod right now ? because what we've seen and what i expect are two very different things. Some might think i'm being a "hater" or pessimist for that matter, but not at all. This offence's glass is half full, and i'm anxious to see the whole thing
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Actually i kind of think he has the CHANCE to make something special with this. even if its as simple as a direct snap to ronnie brown (you can hit the hole faster and with few exchanges there are fewer chances of a fumble.

The rest can be taken or used on a game by game basis. I think good coaches would use the wildcat as a trick play to be used in the right situation. Innovators will tweek it until it can be used in MANY situations
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I have said this a few times but imagine instead having pennington line up at receiver, he is in the backfield. Then imagine a driect snap to ronnie brown, with williams in motion and all of a sudden ronnie hands off to Pennington. I think at that point more than a few players brains would come to a complete standstill :lol:
 
dreamwalker said:
Actually i kind of think he has the CHANCE to make something special with this. even if its as simple as a direct snap to ronnie brown (you can hit the hole faster and with few exchanges there are fewer chances of a fumble.

The rest can be taken or used on a game by game basis. I think good coaches would use the wildcat as a trick play to be used in the right situation. Innovators will tweek it until it can be used in MANY situations
:woot:

I have said this a few times but imagine instead having pennington line up at receiver, he is in the backfield. Then imagine a driect snap to ronnie brown, with williams in motion and all of a sudden ronnie hands off to Pennington. I think at that point more than a few players brains would come to a complete standstill :lol:
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using those plays to catch a defence offguard is the main purpose of their presence in the playbook, but when you start doing those too often, that presence becomes, well, a paradox. And it will usually translate on the field with an anemic production coming from those "not-so-tricky" plays.

it's a valuable asset, but in the end it can't be the bread and butter of an offence
 
What I notice about Sparano, is that he understands the X's and O's. He talks about winning in the trenches, sustaining blocks, winning more battles than are lost, putting in the effort etc. etc.

He doesn't talk about stupid **** like mouse traps, failing forward fast, knowing someone's family, meeting the players for pizza, putting in a lounge area for stress, playing dominoes, or taking the players to movies. He just talks about working hard and winning games. I love him so far.

GO PHINS~!
 
nikeair498 said:
yay someone always has to be unintelligent and slip a penningtons arm str is holding us back from the superbowl into their post.



Can you guys just like, not speak(type) for a season?

heres a tip. All those teams won with defense.
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Yaaaaa because St.Louis had that feared defense of allowing their offense to score more then yours. Dallas never had one of the great RB/WR/QB tandems ever, NE might just have the greatest QB of all time and even SF only had those clowns playing QB, ya know Montana/Young to go along with J.Rice. Indy finally won one when their defense improved but nobody feared Indy's defense, they too have one of the best all time QB's with stud WR's and a real good run game.
Did these teams have good defenses, why yes but they had great offenses.

TB and Baltimore won superbowls because of their defenses and their offenses kind of came for the ride.
 
Yaaaaa because St.Louis had that feared defense of allowing their offense to score more then yours. Dallas never had one of the great RB/WR/QB tandems ever, NE might just have the greatest QB of all time and even SF only had those clowns playing QB, ya know Montana/Young to go along with J.Rice. Indy finally won one when their defense improved but nobody feared Indy's defense, they too have one of the best all time QB's with stud WR's and a real good run game.
Did these teams have good defenses, why yes but they had great offenses.

TB and Baltimore won superbowls because of their defenses and their offenses kind of came for the ride.
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i knew this was coming, which is why I didnt post before hand.. i wanted to eat you alive.

The rams offense didnt win their superbowl. It was a low scoreing game and came down to a DEFENSIVE PLAY on the 1 yard line to win.

Dallas had the top defense in the league (and top 10 the other two years)...

Packers had the number 1 defense in football

Brady is not even close to the best qb of all time. oh also, guess what, They had the top offense of all time and lost the superbowl to a defensive team.

Indy yea, won when they got a defense with the defensive player of the year in bob sanders, a heavy pass rush and the top defense in the post season. Manning and he offense didnt do anything the whole post season. Barely scooting by the chiefs (with 3 picks by ty law) and everyone else.

Only four of the past 12 Super Bowl winners have featured a top-10 offense. But nine of the last 12 Super Bowl winners have featured a top-10 defense.

minus the patriots and colts regular season d.. and go by their playoff defense... and the average ranking of defense was 5th in the league.

so you just lost, care to say anything else?
 
JT-forpresident said:
using those plays to catch a defence offguard is the main purpose of their presence in the playbook, but when you start doing those too often, that presence becomes, well, a paradox. And it will usually translate on the field with an anemic production coming from those "not-so-tricky" plays.

it's a valuable asset, but in the end it can't be the bread and butter of an offence
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I agree with you on principal but I disagree on the basis- I see trick plays as high risk- high reward. And that is not at all what we have here. In fact if you break it down you will see (aside from risk of injury to Pennington) the wildcat is a lower risk play than a handoff to the running back. Fewer hands on the ball equates directly to fewer turnovers. Yes you can take it for a trick play and take advantage of it early and then let it die OR you can be an innovator and tweak it to make sure defenses cannot possibly know what direction you are going with the play and there is SO much you can do with this it would be a shame to call it a trick play and be done with it.

Now if we were running a flea-flicker 6 times a game I would agree with you 100 percent because it really triples your chance for a turnover- QB to RB to QB to WR. That is a trick play. A double reverse, another trick play, high risk, high reward but Ronnie taking the snap and running straight up the middle means only two things, he hits the hole faster and there is ABSOLUTLY zero percent chance of a fumble on the QB RB exchange. So really it would be of no risk of running the play at all aside from

A) A Ronnie Brown fumble (the same exact risk he has every time he touches the ball)
B) A loss of yardage (a bit less of a chance than if he has if he takes a handoff before he hits the hole.)

The wildcat has been done before I know but in the right hands I believe it could change football
 
The wildct isnt anything new. direct snaps have alwys happened. Its not unstoppable. its not changing anything.
 
nikeair498 said:
The wildct isnt anything new. direct snaps have alwys happened. Its not unstoppable. its not changing anything.
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:unsure: So then let me ask you, when they ran the wildcat and runningback handed off the ball to the quarterback and he threw down field it never froze the safeties?

Or when they ran the wildcat and the RB tossed it to the LT (long who would be eligable) it didnt change the way teams lined up against them?

Or like when they ran the wildcat and instead of a RB to RB exchange it was a WR to WR exchange was it defended easily?

Or maybe, just maybe there about a thousand different things that you can do with this ONE formation and there is NO WAY they have tried nor defenses DEFENDED against EVERYTHING? Of course that would mean you stated a matter of factly this play wont change anything when in TRUTH you have no facts to support your statement?

Help me I am a bit confused with a one sentence explaination on how I am wrong about how in the RIGHT hands an INNOVATOR can do amazing things with this.
 
If the wildcat is unstoppable, it would be ran every single play in the nfl by every team. You play to win, this is a buisness, not doing someting that gurantees a win would be stupid and would simply get you fired.

Execution is what makes plays happen, not the play it self.

where did we hand the ball off to a quaterback?
Where did we have a wr exchange instead of a rb?

I do have one fact.

as i stated in the beginning. You can play the X O GAME all you want, If its unstoppable, why is it not ran every single play in a billion dollar buisness that is built to bring in money by winning games. If it gurantees a win, not doing it would be an instant fireing.

Thats a fact.

have fun sitting around going IF I LIKE FLIPED THE BALL HERE AND DID THIS AND THAT AND COME AROUND HERE AND THEN I BOUNCED HTE BALL OFF THE LINEMENS HEAD AND THEN FAKED A PICK UP BUT LEFT HTE BALL THERE THEN RAN AROUND IN CIRCLES THEN WHEN THE D IS ALL CONFUSED AND EVERYONE LOOKS AT ME CUZ IM DUMB, I PICK UP THE BALL AND SCORE. EASY SEE,
 
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