You pre-judgemental doomsdayers kill me..

[thejetssuck]

Jason Allen was/is an incredible talent based on upside....what he is an injury plagued backup that cannot find the safety position let alone a receiver...he is here on "value" not production....
Joe Toledo was a "value" pick...what he was was an injury plagued lineman with no experience.....that what we got.
Anthony Alabi was an inexperienced lineman with potential...what he is is a "value" pick still sitting behind the worst OL in the NFL with potential...
Bennie Anderson was a sloth that could not move...we got "value"...we got a sloth....
Hagan was/is a slowish, cement handed receiver but he was great "value". He is the only one of this years picks that resembles a "football player" however.
Harrington was an interception prone QB with poor in a bad organization ... he is now an interception prone QB in a bad organization with better weather. But good "value" being his relocation expenses only cost us a 6th round draft pick,,,and hey what great insurance in case our sex scandled, interception prone former all pro QB with the knee that resembles overcooked spaghetti is not ready...oh wait....scratch that....

The argument regarding Crowder, Daniels and Brown...Brown should start...he is not producing #2 pick numbers regardless of the "excuses''. Crowder is solid and slid because of his knee.......even blind squirrels find acorns.....Daniels would not have played if not for a poor DB group and he has not exactly "produced", he has been adequate...right now he should be likened the skinniest girl at a fat farm......the best of bad options...
Matt Roth was a short armed, high motor, light DE with limitations...now he is short armed high motor, light situational player that we got great "value" on....

These 3 I agree with you here. I knew Bennie Anderson was gonna be worthless. My biggest concern about the Toledo pick was the fear that he would be another Mark Dixon, someone who plays great when healthy (and he WAS playing significantly better than any of the other guards and was pretty much a lock to be the starting RG), but is pretty much NEVER HEALTHY!! And what you said about Alabi pretty much raps it up.

However, wait till next year to see how jason allen does before calling him a bust. Troy Polamaua(sp?) didn't start a single game his 1st year and became a PB player. As far as Ronnie Brown goes, he is every bit as good as Ricky ( remember, they had the same ypc avg last year at 4.4 a piece. Also don't forget the season that Ricky avgeraged a whopping 3.5 ypc following his 1850 yd performance the year before, but no one was blaming him ( because our O-line sucked, much like it has THIS YEAR)) I expect his numbers to greatly improve now that joey is starting. Teams are gonna soon realize they are gonna get burned blitzing and keeping 8-9 men in the box everyplay which was VERY effective against the very immobile and indecisive Cpep, but with joey starting and that VERY quick release, they are gonna get burned for it. Harrington has far more talent to work with offensively here than in detroit and is now playing is a system that is VERY complimentary to his strengths. As far as the Matt Roth comparison goes, be patient. It just so happens one the best DE in the league pretty much didn't do squat till about his 3rd or 4th year(here is a hint: he plays for the miami dolphins, and his name is jason taylor). Also don't forget Adewale Ogulyeye, it took him 3 years to have his breakout season ( because just like what matt roth is going through, he had to "wait his turn"). Matt has done a great job in the limited action he has seen, particularly in run support. So to you and all these people bashing these draft picks and aquisitions, I ask that you just show a little patience. As I promisie that AT LEAST 1 of these players, probably MORE than 1, and possibly ALL of them, are going to make you eat your words. That is all. GO PHINS!! LET"S KILL THOSE JETS!!!!:dolphins: :dolphins:

 

[my 2 cents]

These 3 I agree with you here. I knew Bennie Anderson was gonna be worthless. My biggest concern about the Toledo pick was the fear that he would be another Mark Dixon, someone who plays great when healthy (and he WAS playing significantly better than any of the other guards and was pretty much a lock to be the starting RG), but is pretty much NEVER HEALTHY!! And what you said about Alabi pretty much raps it up.

However, wait till next year to see how jason allen does before calling him a bust. Troy Polamaua(sp?) didn't start a single game his 1st year and became a PB player. As far as Ronnie Brown goes, he is every bit as good as Ricky ( remember, they had the same ypc avg last year at 4.4 a piece. Also don't forget the season that Ricky avgeraged a whopping 3.5 ypc following his 1850 yd performance the year before, but no one was blaming him ( because our O-line sucked, much like it has THIS YEAR)) I expect his numbers to greatly improve now that joey is starting. Teams are gonna soon realize they are gonna get burned blitzing and keeping 8-9 men in the box everyplay which was VERY effective against the very immobile and indecisive Cpep, but with joey starting and that VERY quick release, they are gonna get burned for it. Harrington has far more talent to work with offensively here than in detroit and is now playing is a system that is VERY complimentary to his strengths. As far as the Matt Roth comparison goes, be patient. It just so happens one the best DE in the league pretty much didn't do squat till about his 3rd or 4th year(here is a hint: he plays for the miami dolphins, and his name is jason taylor). Also don't forget Adewale Ogulyeye, it took him 3 years to have his breakout season ( because just like what matt roth is going through, he had to "wait his turn"). Matt has done a great job in the limited action he has seen, particularly in run support. So to you and all these people bashing these draft picks and aquisitions, I ask that you just show a little patience. As I promisie that AT LEAST 1 of these players, probably MORE than 1, and possibly ALL of them, are going to make you eat your words. That is all. GO PHINS!! LET"S KILL THOSE JETS!!!!:dolphins: :dolphins:

Fair enough...I will reserve the right to revaluate my judgement on Allen, Brown, and Roth...but as of now I stand on their production.

For the record I think Brown is a very good back and has limited help right now...I also do not see his production worthy of a #2 pick in the draft which is all that counts...not what he potentially could do. Also Allen could very well be aworthy of the #16 pick someday...right now he is a disappointment and also personally i would not have taken any player with his type injury at his position coming off a non season at the #16 pick....but I am not a scout. As of now I say he has not earned pick 16 or his paycheck. Also Jason Taylor had 9 sacks in 99 (secnd year) and an injury plagued 2000. Roth has been 180 degrees from what people expected...they expected a pass rush guy and got a run stopper. He needs to produce more and as of now I say he also is not worthy of his draft status......hopefully these guys will progress.

The road to achievment is littered with the bones of those with potential....

 

[Crowder52]

I don't see your point. The whole NFL draft is about potential, no one knows what these guys will do once they make the jump from college to the pros. Moreover, it is way too early to judge these draft picks.

 

[Fin-Loco]

These 3 I agree with you here. I knew Bennie Anderson was gonna be worthless. My biggest concern about the Toledo pick was the fear that he would be another Mark Dixon, someone who plays great when healthy (and he WAS playing significantly better than any of the other guards and was pretty much a lock to be the starting RG), but is pretty much NEVER HEALTHY!! And what you said about Alabi pretty much raps it up.

However, wait till next year to see how jason allen does before calling him a bust. Troy Polamaua(sp?) didn't start a single game his 1st year and became a PB player. As far as Ronnie Brown goes, he is every bit as good as Ricky ( remember, they had the same ypc avg last year at 4.4 a piece. Also don't forget the season that Ricky avgeraged a whopping 3.5 ypc following his 1850 yd performance the year before, but no one was blaming him ( because our O-line sucked, much like it has THIS YEAR)) I expect his numbers to greatly improve now that joey is starting. Teams are gonna soon realize they are gonna get burned blitzing and keeping 8-9 men in the box everyplay which was VERY effective against the very immobile and indecisive Cpep, but with joey starting and that VERY quick release, they are gonna get burned for it. Harrington has far more talent to work with offensively here than in detroit and is now playing is a system that is VERY complimentary to his strengths. As far as the Matt Roth comparison goes, be patient. It just so happens one the best DE in the league pretty much didn't do squat till about his 3rd or 4th year(here is a hint: he plays for the miami dolphins, and his name is jason taylor). Also don't forget Adewale Ogulyeye, it took him 3 years to have his breakout season ( because just like what matt roth is going through, he had to "wait his turn"). Matt has done a great job in the limited action he has seen, particularly in run support. So to you and all these people bashing these draft picks and aquisitions, I ask that you just show a little patience. As I promisie that AT LEAST 1 of these players, probably MORE than 1, and possibly ALL of them, are going to make you eat your words. That is all. GO PHINS!! LET"S KILL THOSE JETS!!!!:dolphins: :dolphins:

You started a thread with a reply to another thread? Why not just reply to the thread that your thread is replying to? How is the target of your response to the thread that your posting about in this thread going to know to look at this thread for your response to the thread that you're speaking of? Should he start his own thread with his respones to your thread that is responding to his thread?

My head hurts...

 

[my 2 cents]

I don't see your point. The whole NFL draft is about potential, no one knows what these guys will do once they make the jump from college to the pros. Moreover, it is way too early to judge these draft picks.

I agree with you no one knows....but in the grand scheme of things guys are picked relative to their probability of being productive in the NFL. At the #2 pick you would expect to see more production, particularly form a RB. Do not get me wrong I think the guy has a world of AA and is not getting much help, but the numbers are what the numbers are. I also agree it is too early to judge the whole of a career...but as of right now at those position (Roth a possible exception,,,, Polomulu sitting a year at safety is an exception ) you would expect to see more productivity and the potential word would be fading.

 

[musphinzfan]

face the Facts the teams has had Bad drafts for ...what now...7 years?...Deal with it they had very little or no success thus far....I really dont expect any changes soon...Atleast alot of teams picks are doing ST's duty or starten .Ours with the hugh exception of Hagan have made zero impact.

 

[Crowder52]

I agree with you no one knows....but in the grand scheme of things guys are picked relative to their probability of being productive in the NFL. At the #2 pick you would expect to see more production, particularly form a RB. Do not get me wrong I think the guy has a world of AA and is not getting much help, but the numbers are what the numbers are. I also agree it is too early to judge the whole of a career...but as of right now at those position (Roth a possible exception,,,, Polomulu sitting a year at safety is an exception ) you would expect to see more productivity and the potential word would be fading.

Yea man I would definitely like to see more out of these guys too. Regarding Ronnie, I listened to a report on ESPN radio the other day and John Clayton said that not only do the Dolphins give up the most sacks in the league, but they also have the most runs for negative yardage. Ronnie simply can't do anything when he gets hit in the backfield, which seems to be just about every other play. Same as a QB behind a terrible O-Line, a RB behind a terrible O-Line can't do anything.

Crowder was a great pick. If you go to NFL.com and look at teams drafts historically, they rarely get more than 2-3 solid contributors from each draft, and sometimes get zero or one. If we count Ronnie and Crowder, than that draft was fine already. The 2006 Draft remains to be seen.

 

[lazareth]

You started a thread with a reply to another thread? Why not just reply to the thread that your thread is replying to? How is the target of your response to the thread that your posting about in this thread going to know to look at this thread for your response to the thread that you're speaking of? Should he start his own thread with his respones to your thread that is responding to his thread?

My head hurts...

 

[zonk4ever]

enuff with the ronnie brown is not worthy of a #2 pick!!! Check the #2 picks for the last 10 years. all things considered, he's worthy!:fire:

 

[DuderinoN703]

I got a migraine from just looking at this thread. Ayyyyyyyyee ayyye ayyye :eek:

 

[DDTDON]

You started a thread with a reply to another thread? Why not just reply to the thread that your thread is replying to? How is the target of your response to the thread that your posting about in this thread going to know to look at this thread for your response to the thread that you're speaking of? Should he start his own thread with his respones to your thread that is responding to his thread?

My head hurts...

In the famous words of Austin Powers'' OH NO I HAVE GONE CROSS-EYED''

 

[bigbade]

Just a question for all the Ronnie wasn't worth the #2 people? Who then in that draft that was a concievable #2 would have been better?

 

[Elliott 1]

Why do you kepp saying that Troy Palomalu didn't play his rookie year? He played in every game. He had 30 tackles and 2 sacks and no interceptions.
Go to NFL.com and check it out.

 

[Crowder52]

Why do you kepp saying that Troy Palomalu didn't play his rookie year? He played in every game. He had 30 tackles and 2 sacks and no interceptions.
Go to NFL.com and check it out.

Most people who I have seen say he didn't start.

 

[jlfin]

Just a question for all the Ronnie wasn't worth the #2 people? Who then in that draft that was a concievable #2 would have been better?

Shawn Merriman