Critical of Gase/Dolphins?

ANUFan said:

Interesting, Now show me the part where any other stats means more than the W or the L at the end of the game.

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His point merely is that a negative point differential, a huge one at that, is no recipe for sustainable success. We might be 4-6 but due to a few lucky bounces. They will even out eventually and we might end up 5-11 although we play better than the other teams.

Spiff said:

His point merely is that a negative point differential, a huge one at that, is no recipe for sustainable success. We might be 4-6 but due to a few lucky bounces. They will even out eventually and we might end up 5-11 although we play better than the other teams.

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When Tannehill injured his knee in TC we were screwed. I'm curious what stats is the posters suggesting shouldn't be skewed as a result of losing your starting QB? Which football stats are lose-your-starting-QB proof? Rushing yards? Passing yards? Defensive stats? Special Teams?

Which part of the game isn't affected as a result of losing that particular player?

Ross and Dolphin biggest problem is trusting the wrong guy. There are couple older coaches who want back in the game but either Ross or his sycophants won't give them the time of day. Brian Billick, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan are looking for either coaching or GM type jobs. Yet, Ross believe that T-Bomb is the man to lead.

It's really sad.

BahamaFinFan78 said:

What about comparing us to the Vikings who are on their third string QB, Case Keenam, and are KILLING it.

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Case Keenan has surprised everyone by playing way above expectations. The Vikings defense is very good. I have been impressed by their play. Hats off to them. What does this have to do with the OP’s point. The answer is that it does not affect the OP’s original point. Posters are not being realistic.

NorFlaFin said:

Ross and Dolphin biggest problem is trusting the wrong guy. There are couple older coaches who want back in the game but either Ross or his sycophants won't give them the time of day. Brian Billick, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan are looking for either coaching or GM type jobs. Yet, Ross believe that T-Bomb is the man to lead.

It's really sad.

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Your opinion is that Ross picked the wrong head coach, and my opinion is not formed yet. Coach Gase has some good attributes including making tough decisions. Time will tell which opinion is correct.

Lionstone said:

Case Keenan has surprised everyone by playing way above expectations. The Vikings defense is very good. I have been impressed by their play. Hats off to them. What does this have to do with the OP’s point. The answer is that it does not affect the OP’s original point. Posters are not being realistic.

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Certainly, you're not surprised that the OP tried to move the goal post further back? Moreover, as these things go, there will always be some reference to that 1 outlier as some sort of truth. When everyone knows that for every 1 Case Keenan there are far more stats that show when you lose your starting QB the team typically goes downhill.

But somehow the Dolphins, according to some, are supposed to defy that likely hood or else the coach sucks and deserves to be fired. Hell, even the mighty Patriots weren't able to overcome that powerful tendency that rare time Brady wasn't at the helm.

andyahs said:

According to many we are the laughing stock of the league outside of Cleveland.

Reality.

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Sadly this is it. Strictly talking about the football being played on the field there have been some really, really bad moments and games but it really is exaggerated. For instance the Raiders and Bucs games weren't that bad but I've been here a long time and there is no such thing as a loss in which the team played good or even OK. When we lose everybody sucks and needs to be replaced, it's the nature of finheaven. To be clear I want much better and am certainly not settling for that very average football but it's definitely exaggerated about how bad it is on here.

However, like it or not we are the 2nd biggest laughing stock in the league to opposing fans. This is how the Pats fans I talk to see it.
1. Signing Jay Cutler period - Everyone considers him a loser and as much as I'd have loved to see him stick it up their asses he's been a loser for us which everyone expected. Opposing fans see this as nothing but a horrible, stupid, laughable move and they're proving right.
2. We traded our best offensive player - Fantasy football rules and Ajayi was the highest rated Dolphin coming into the season. Good luck convincing opposing fans this was a good move. Another laughable move to non Dolphins fans.
3. O-line coach doing coke in the building and off hookers - Need I say more?
4. Rey getting arrested and cut - Just another embarrassing thing.
5. LB going AWOL before game 1 - I live in NE, Patriots players don't do this ****.

Sorry guys we're one step above trading for a player and not calling it in on time. The laughing stock stuff is much worse than the football we're seeing outside of the Ravens and Panthers games which is saying a lot.

ANUFan said:

But somehow the Dolphins, according to some, are supposed to defy that likely hood or else the coach sucks and deserves to be fired. Hell, even the mighty Patriots weren't able to overcome that powerful tendency that rare time Brady wasn't at the helm.

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Seriously? The Patriots went 11-5 the year Brady went down week 1.

Awsi Dooger said:

There was no reason for optimism this season regarding the Cowboys, Raiders, Giants or Dolphins. Personnel means nothing in situations like that. Yet invariably all the offseason focus is on personnel and happy talk.

Each of those teams exceeded its 2015 win total by 4+ games in 2016. The Cowboys have been playing bizarre ping pong lately. That's a season win/over under bettor's dream. They went from 12 wins in 2014 to 4 wins in 2015 to 13 wins in 2016. Now the logical retreat in 2017.

Oakland went from 7 to 12. Miami from 6 to 10. Giants from 6 to 11. They key number is change of 3, as I've emphasized many times. More often than not the trend is not sustainable and will revert toward the previous level upon a shift of 3+. Atlanta also figured to be down somewhat after moving from 8 wins to 11, plus blowing the Super Bowl the way they did.

Next year all the teams that are having lovely breakthrough 2017 seasons will likely decline, teams like the Saints, Rams, Vikings, Eagles, Jaguars.

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BTW...I really enjoy your posts...I don't gamble but if I did I would hope to have an inside view like you.

Thanks.

Mrmeeseeks said:

Failing might not equal incompetence, but incompetence does equal incompetence. Ross got Bill Parcells to help him in decision-making. That was Ross' only good decision his entire tenure. He doesn't know football. That's why he gets people that he thinks knows football to run things for him. He is incompetent.

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I don't understand what you are saying, most owners don't know football and they hire people that know football to run things for them, how does that make him incompetent? He is doing what every (most) owners do in trying to bring home a SB victory. Ross doesn't pull names out of a hat, we can assume he has people on staff to advise him of the best coach to hire.

Good_Dylan said:

Which is why I say its a NFL problem also...The field should be leveled and obviously right now its steeply tilted into a few teams favor.

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How so?

One thing I'm sure of........the constant turnover of coaches and QB's over the last 17 years has gotten us absolutely nowhere. It is very hard to be successful when you have immediate expectations in a reality that takes time to build.

Gase was excellent last year and got us a playoff berth when no of us expected anything even close. This year, not so much success and we are talking about blowing it up and starting all over again. I'm really glad most of your saying that don't have control of the team or are making these decisions. Look at Pittsburgh.....they have had what, 6 head coaches in their history? When they have bad years, they don't fire the coach, they support him and allow him to continue to build the culture and team the organization needs. New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle.....they have stability and continuity. That is what the Dolphins need, not a continual churning of the staff and team.

We are long suffering Dolphin fans. I'm in my 50's and have followed this team since 1970. You don't have to tell me about how long it has been since we won a superbowl or how long we have sucked....I know first hand. But what I have also seen is that the impatience of ownership and fans that gives a coach a short leash to turn things around doesn't work. How many coaches have we had since Shula left? How many QB's since Dan left? Why would we want to continue that?

I at times question Gase and what he does....I think that is fair, but the guy has a winning record as a Dolphins HC and we want to get rid of him? Crazy.....

Good_Dylan said:

Which is why I say its a NFL problem also...The field should be leveled and obviously right now its steeply tilted into a few teams favor.

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I'm not sure I agree with this.

Currently, the "darling" teams are the Patriots, Eagles and Vikings". The reason the Patriots are perennial winners, isn't because the NFL tilts things in their direction....it is because they have a competent organization and the Jets, Fins and Bills haven't. They dominate, because we let them dominate. We have seen our Fins beat the Pat's a number of times with continuous pressure on the QB....yet here we are, at the bottom of the league in sacks. I view the dominance of the Patriots as much as the excellent play of their QB and team as the incompetence that exists in the rest of the division.

I'm also pretty sure, that the NFL isn't slanting anything towards the Vikings or Eagles. They earned their positions this year through good drafting, good coaching and excellent execution. Carson Wentz could have been a Brown's QB.....but their moneyball experiment isn't working so well.

Now, if you want to argue that the penalty frenzy that is occurring in the NFL is killing the game or that the rules are designed to help the offense too much.....I can agree with that, but I don't think it has anything to do with favoring specific teams

Dolphins512 said:

One thing I'm sure of........the constant turnover of coaches and QB's over the last 17 years has gotten us absolutely nowhere. It is very hard to be successful when you have immediate expectations in a reality that takes time to build.

Gase was excellent last year and got us a playoff berth when no of us expected anything even close. This year, not so much success and we are talking about blowing it up and starting all over again. I'm really glad most of your saying that don't have control of the team or are making these decisions. Look at Pittsburgh.....they have had what, 6 head coaches in their history? When they have bad years, they don't fire the coach, they support him and allow him to continue to build the culture and team the organization needs. New England, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle.....they have stability and continuity. That is what the Dolphins need, not a continual churning of the staff and team.

We are long suffering Dolphin fans. I'm in my 50's and have followed this team since 1970. You don't have to tell me about how long it has been since we won a superbowl or how long we have sucked....I know first hand. But what I have also seen is that the impatience of ownership and fans that gives a coach a short leash to turn things around doesn't work. How many coaches have we had since Shula left? How many QB's since Dan left? Why would we want to continue that?

I at times question Gase and what he does....I think that is fair, but the guy has a winning record as a Dolphins HC and we want to get rid of him? Crazy.....

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Dude I am so with you on this, I have been saying this same thing for ever. To get rid of a coach during or after his second year is crazy talk unless that coach is caught snorting **** up his nose or some madness like that. Gase is a young HC and deserves at least 5 years to turn this franchise around and bring us to respectability. I can't and still don't understand how we are calling for this guy to be fired, we will never get anywhere like that, good coaches don't grow on trees.......give the man a chance.

iammclovin804 said:

Seriously? The Patriots went 11-5 the year Brady went down week 1.

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I know! I know! it's so much easier to look at the surface and say Ah ha! gotcha!

But try and stretch just a little bit more. Here's a hint start with the premise that maybe the poster didn't miss such an obvious point and what they're referring to goes a little deeper. I know it's might hurt a little bit because now you have to think and see a little further but it's okay you can do it.

Try that and come back. Cool? Cool!