Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by FinAtic8480, May 5, 2014.
Let it be...
We can a RT at pick 50
Honestly, I'm FAR more concerned about our linebacker core than I am of the protection at this point. RT can be addressed in round 3 or at 50. After Mosley and Shazier, there's a drop off at linebacker talent.
I second that....
Rather have him than Mosley.
Ju James Bitonio Moses - I believe one will fall - none of these guys project to be a L.T. - if they did I would be more worried - even Guards are valuable than RTs in my opinion
Shazier's father, Vernon, has been the Dolphins’ chaplain for the past five seasons.At just over 6-1 and 237 pounds, Shazier wouldn’t be big enough to fit the prototype of former Dolphins personnel czars Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland. But Hickey has said he has no such size requirements with linebackers.
That's a pretty solid foot in the door that I was unaware of.
Athletic - check
Position of need - check
High character - probable check
Team connection - check
Joe probably knows his Dad pretty well and has been well briefed on Ryan's development.
Two of the three will go first round.... that's a long way for the third to fall in the second.
This dude looks freaky as hell with the no eyebrow look
Fair comment lol
he is not the droid you are looking for.
I can see it now..."your gonna love The Ginn..er I mean Shazier family!" Dear God have we learned nothing. This pick would be a big mistake.
This is a joke? Right?
I question the pick for 2 reasons.
1. I LOVE Shazier as a player, and we have a need at WLB. But does this fix our run defense? Yes, Shazier is an upgrade over Wheeler in pass coverage and can also be a terror on the blitz. However, Shazier won't be able to beat blocks with quickness alone like he did in college. He'll have to use his quickness to get to the proper spot and then engage at the point of attack with proper leverage. The scouts will have to be confident that he can do that and add a few more pounds on his frame.
2. Replacing Wheeler with Shazier is great, but now we still have Ellerbe at Mike. Was Ellerbe's bad year an abberation or is he just not suited for the middle? Can Shazier play the middle and have Ellerbe play the WLB like he did in the Raven's scheme? I'm not confident that keeping Ellerbe in the middle fixes the run defense.
I would play Shazier in the middle.
I'm calling it... The sudden Shazier stuff is a cover up, probably for c.j. mosley
No. I think the kid was just great athletically at OSU but will be overmatched in The NFL. Also its Dion Jordan part II so why the need? If we draft him even partially because his dad is The Team Chaplain I will ****e myself.
I dont think we are drafting him.
I'm not sure i see all 237 lbs of him on YouTube. The guy is really fast for an lb for sure, but maybe looks 220. If he's 237 and moves like that, then sheesh...
Theres no doubt he has speed and some talent. Will he be able to do it in the NFL. So much faster, bigger, stronger.
strong safety from the waist down. that being said I know jack **** about strength training. can he add lower body strength without losing speed?
I just don't see it, Hickey is too smart for that. Drafting Mosley over Shazier would be like drafting Channing Crowder over Patrick Willis.
PLAYER ------HT--WT---college sr tackles-PBU-Sacks-FF--TFL
Patrick Willis 6-1, 239----------------137-----7-----3------2--11.5
Ryan Shazier 6-1, 237---------------144------4-----6------4--23
at 19 there is no way the phins can even take a sniff at Mosley and a trade up for a LB is a horrid move with so many other needs
I feel like they are just getting playmakers on d.. Guys who take chances but come up with plays
Don't get your hopes up. There's probably seven or eight spots he could go before #19.
Could be smoke for someone behind us....
Don't agree with this
Correct me if I'm wrong but I have not seen an Ohio State player do anything in the NFL in so long that it just seems like they don't even enter the draft. There are certain schools that teams should just stay away from as far as drafting. Schools like Gators, Ohio State, and Tennessee. There are a couple of players that have been ok like Eric Berry, but as for LB, DL, WR, RB, where are these players from these schools that enter the draft. And the Gator are just made for college, these guys are no good in the NFL, OL okay no problem, but NO on QB, RB, LB, and DL just garbage.
We Do Not Need This Guy, By Him Being From Ohio State Sums It Up.
Why take Shazier in the 1st when we can nab the better Borland in the 2nd? :err: We need a complete 4 down inside guy more than a 3 down outside guy so.....
Fins are doing everything they can to smoke screen the **** out of every one for a top OT.
I prefer him to Mosley, but would not be in favor of either in round 1. IMHO it represents poor value at the spot and addresses a lesser need than our OL.
We let Soliai walk, and these lightweight LB's are going to get manhandled. Gap penetrators along the DL are great for interior pass pressure, but they are terrible at keeping LB's clean to make run stops. No LB will be our 1st round pick.
On a side note though, I do love this industrial stream of smokescreens. When was the last time someone wrote about us drafting Martin or Lewan other than a passing reference? LOL. All Goodell did was add an extra month of smokescreens.
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Aj Hawk, J. Laurinaitis are two LB'ers that seem to be doing pretty well!
so that means shazier isn't a possibility for us at 19, ok, got it
i've seen it all now...
We have to let teams know they need to ante up if they want to trade up for Shazier, or else we might draft him...at least that the image we need to put out there. So far, we have publicly expressed interest in just about every player projected to go in the 15 to 25 range. Any of these last minute stories about us being interested in a certain player are almost certainly planted in the media for a reason.
Is rather see them take Moses or trade down
Totally agree - its a strategy most teams have picked up & play nowadays & as is part of their overall draft plan.
Also didn't we just pay big money to 2 LBs in free agency last season - those finances still need to be paid off.
My hope is that Hickey is more willing to take chances on players based on their size/speed combo's along with guys who are football smart. When it came to his drafts, Ireland tended to go the 'safe, solid football player' route. Unfortunately, thats part of the reason IMO that he never hit any homeruns and had to overpay for other teams free agents.
That being said... if he bypasses any of the top 4 tackles to take a LB'er I won't be happy. If they are gone, I'm on board with Shazier or Mosley....Shazier's a better physical talent, but Mosley reminds me of Zach Thomas with his instincts. But if that happens, I'd want to trade up in the 2nd to get one of the second tier tackles....I'd even be willing to give up a decent pick in next years draft to do so(2nd next year, and say 3rd this year and perhaps Rishard Matthews?)...that gives us two second rounders in a solid draft to pickup a RT and a RG or CB.
This would not be a good pick for the fins. I like CJ more and for those of u who think one of those tackles will be there in the third round r crazy. There will be a big run at the top or middle of the second round. If we wait we r screwed
The more media rumors I see the more convinced I am that we're taking a wideout at 19.
I think Peyton Manning would have to disagree with you.
Oh, I didn't know that. Not an issue for me, I just thought he was shaving his brows to look extra intimidating or something.
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6-6 260 vs 6-2 230.