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Question for CK: I would like to know how do you rate Weeden as an NFL prospect compared to some other "old" college QBs from the past like John Beck and Chris Weinke...
Question for CK: I would like to know how do you rate Weeden as an NFL prospect compared to some other "old" college QBs from the past like John Beck and Chris Weinke...
I don't know that Barkley's throws flutter more but they're definitely not thrown with the same velocity. It's not that Barkley throws a bad ball. Weeden throws an exceptional one.
I like them both. I said last year that in the 2012 Draft the top three QBs talent wise would be Andrew Luck, Brandon Weeden and Matt Barkley, with Landry Jones kind of hovering just outside those three, and Ryan Lindley and Ryan Tannehill pulling up the rear, all of them with potential 1st round combinations of tangibles/intangibles. I think the more we go on in this, the more I was right about the top grouping of Luck, Weeden and Barkley, with Jones just on the outside, and Tannehill pulling up the read looking to climb.
The one I think I was wrong about was Ryan Lindley who is failing the tests put before him. We all knew those tests were coming, having lost the guy that coached his offense, having lost his top senior receivers, guys that caught a ton of balls for a ton of yards and TDs, and replacing them with guys that don't know what the eff they're doing out there...but I view challenges like that as king-makers. If you meet the challenge and overcome it, you'll have proven more than guys next to you that haven't truly been challenged yet. Problem is, he didn't overcome. He more or less failed, and proved he's a mid-round guy.
I saw Robert Griffin, III as sort of an orbiting wildcard, the guy nobody sees coming that could make some noise. But, the more I see of him, the more I think he's a little overrated right now, and I don't know that I would consider him up there with the five guys (Luck, Weeden, Barkley, Jones, Tannehill). Actually the guy that maybe could climb up there could be Nick Foles, who hadn't really impressed me last year as much (though he impressed Boomer, whose opinion I respect very much). The more I watch him the more potential I think he's got.
I thought Aikman played at UCLA,or did he start at OU,then transfer to UCLA for some reason. I watched the Bama/LSU game,but after seeing ESPN highlights of the OK.St/K-St. game,i wish i could've watched both at the same time,because in those highlight clips Weeden looks like a QB i'd have NO problems with us drafting. I'd take 5-7 years of good to great QB play from him with a good coaching staff to help him out. Then about 3-4 years in with him,i'd draft another QB to develop behind him.The point is that there is no Tedford rule. Or Texas Tech rule, BYU rule, OU rule. Rodgers was a great college QB and is a great NFL QB. Aikman was great at OU and Dallas. McMahon was great at BYU and very solid at Chicago. The college system played under doesn't define or limit Quarterbacks and their potential. Maybe the cream simply rises to the top.
I thought Aikman played at UCLA,or did he start at OU,then transfer to UCLA for some reason. I watched the Bama/LSU game,but after seeing ESPN highlights of the OK.St/K-St. game,i wish i could've watched both at the same time,because in those highlight clips Weeden looks like a QB i'd have NO problems with us drafting. I'd take 5-7 years of good to great QB play from him with a good coaching staff to help him out. Then about 3-4 years in with him,i'd draft another QB to develop behind him.
Yeah, Aikman started at OU, popped his ankle and then transferred to UCLA. I'm with you on Weeden, worst case scenario in drafting him is a little positional triage, stop the bleeding at the QB position and worry about the rest as you go. My best guess is that I wouldn't take Barkley top 5- I'd much rather have Weeden rd 2, but there are risks in waiting/playing that game, too. The top 10 of the draft doesn't seem all that solid to me, though. Ideally, in the absence of Luck:
1) Blackmon
2) Konz
3) Weeden
But does a 28 yr old Weeden for sure last until the top of the 3rd round? Do you wait? My best guess is that at the end of the day you pay up a round and get him in the top of rd 2- there's no certainty that he'll be avaolable there either. There's just no time to waste waiting another year. As per usual I'm still pissed that Ponder was snatched this year by the Vikes before our pick.
Anyone know anything about the Clemson TE Dwayne Allen?
I thought Aikman played at UCLA,or did he start at OU,then transfer to UCLA for some reason.
If I'm not mistaken Barry Switzer was the reason Aikman transfered.
That being said, I think, the 6 top QB's (no particular order) are... Barkley, Foles, Weeden, Luck, RG3, & Jones.
If the phins pass on AL & MB then Weeden or Foles would be more than okay with me.