Crowder Rocks52
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Boomer do you think he will be there at 32?
We see that now with Carey...don't we? Every Tackle has flaws...none are perfect. That why they have the term "a sack"! As long as the Dolphins will be a running team with the new offense...having a finese pass blocker isn't need as much. Look at F. Adams...no one will mistake him for a great pass blocker...but he's not there to be one...he's there to be a decent pass blocker and a great run blocker.
I'm really enjoying this debate...but at this point I have to add my 2 cents.
Why do you keep comparing a true RT Carey playing a LT position out of place who was taken 20th or 21st. To J. Long?
Why even draft Long then we already have RT that was playing LT. And were not paying him mega bucks.
Why? Because when the Dolphins drafted Carey it was with the HOPE that he could also play LT...well he can play LT but not as well as RT. Long is a LT...played at LT for two years...and regardless of what fans say...played it well enough to only give up two sacks and two penalites in four years. He's not a finese style tackle...he's road hog...once he locks on...you are going no where but down...he's mean...which again is something we surely need on the Dolphins O-Line.
That begs the question. How does one come to an informed opinion on a player without having broken down film on him? In essence, wouldn't that make anyone who does not break down film and come to their own conclusion one of these sheep you are describing.
Given that, it seems pretty clear that the only people that would not be sheep would be those who actually watch tape and come to their own conclusion. Everyone else would simply sheep to the media. Wouldn't that be accurate?
Couldn't agree with you more on this one, and I find it funny the guys jumping on the Jake Long bandwagon. He isn't getting picked by us and that should be plain as day. if we have the option to take either a quarterback (if he is deemed to be a franchise guy and beck isnt) or pass rusher (C Long, Gholston). We are NOT going to take Jake Long.
And I HAVE seen him play. AND I KNOW he WILL have problems with speed rushers....the guy isnt a great athlete. When Gholston played him he DID beat him like a drum. If I had to pick between the two that matchup alone should show you who the better player is. Long may be able to get by on technique if he can improve, and his somewhat long arms might help him in this regard. But this guy is a RIGHT TACKLE at this point. When he is moving backwards he isn't good. when he is moving forward he can be dominate and get to the second level blocks. I just think he is stiff and wouldnt even be a better option than Carey at LT. This guy isn't going to be a Dolphin so we can stop talking about him.
You can watch games and form an opinion without breaking down film. Whoever said otherwise is blowing smoke. I'm sure that it is an advantage, and I respect the work of intelligent posters like Boomer who do break down film, because I respect his opinion. Other guys- not so much. JLong is large and athletically skilled- large would generally be accepted as fact, athletically skilled is my opinion, backed up at least somewhat by his combine numbers. People far more knowledgeable than you or I think that he is clearly a LEFT tackle. Mel Kiper and Leon Searcy, to name 2 of them.
Maybe he'll fail at LT, who knows- none of us on this site, that's for sure. None of us are qualified to say, nor are we qualified to say for sure that he will or will not be a Dolphin. That's misplaced certitude.
First off I can say what I want...secondly I've seen several Michigan games, and the guy was outclassed by good pass rushers. So I don't really care what Kiper said or Searcy ...and I didn't hear it for one. Boomer pointed out in his previous post about Long - EXACTLY what I was seeing. The guy gets too low on passing plays...and he DOES NOT look like an athlete....sorry dude....there is a HUGE flaw there in my opinion...the way Gholston outclassed him. makes this one a moot point...I don't want the ****tier player...sorry. I think the guy would be fine on the right side, but that doesn't cut it at the top of the draft. He might bench alot and run ok.....doesnt matter...when it comes to protecting the passer I don't want to see my left tackle unable to put himself fluidly in a position to block and have to save himself because he might have long arms...the guy is a stiff
Why? Because when the Dolphins drafted Carey it was with the HOPE that he could also play LT...well he can play LT but not as well as RT. Long is a LT...played at LT for two years...and regardless of what fans say...played it well enough to only give up two sacks and two penalites in four years. He's not a finese style tackle...he's road hog...once he locks on...you are going no where but down...he's mean...which again is something we surely need on the Dolphins O-Line.
Boomer do you think he will be there at 32?
You have a right to your opinion. I've seen several Michigan games myself- we apparently saw different things. I have my opinions, but they're not definitive fact. You seem to be on the verge of thinking that your opinion is fact, which is ridiculous. You think that Jake Long is a stiff- whatever, dude.
We'll find out in a year or two. One last thing- your first sentence, "First off I can say what I want")- no **** Sherlock. This is an internet posting site, not the United Nations. But when you say it like that it makes you sound like that other annoying candy ***. It's a punkish start to a post.
You have a right to your opinion. I've seen several Michigan games myself- we apparently saw different things. I have my opinions, but they're not definitive fact. You seem to be on the verge of thinking that your opinion is fact, which is ridiculous. You think that Jake Long is a stiff- whatever, dude.
We'll find out in a year or two. One last thing- your first sentence, "First off I can say what I want")- no **** Sherlock. This is an internet posting site, not the United Nations. But when you say it like that it makes you sound like that other annoying candy ***. It's a punkish start to a post.
LOL. Jake Long may be a great player. And to be honest I just remember the things that stuck out to me watching the games....and I think I have an eye for something sometimes in guys that I turn out right on...even tho the media wants to jock somebody (I know everybody thinks that - but whatever....I know it's true).....I'm not spewing opinons about a million players etc. And I certainly haven't broken down film on the guy like Boomer. However, after reading his post that he put into words so well. It brought to mind EXACTLY what i was thinking about him pass protecting. Now I personally liked the guy moving forward from what I remember...I remember a block that he made and made it to the second level and pinned a linebacker as well....and I will telll you this...I didn't see some of that going on with our line last year.....So there are some thing I like about the guy. I just don't think he is a left tackle....and therefore not worthy of a pick at the top of the draft. Do I think He can become one? Yeah maybe. I personally don't think he is the greatest athlete...he just looked stiff to me sorry. the guy had good pop and he certainly seemed to engulf some players - he seemed massive...just not athletic. His arms seem to be longer than NFL scouts look for at the position, and Certainly technique is a big thing...so if he could put himself in position...sure maybe he can play the position.....I just would rather put my money elsewhere.
First off I can say what I want...secondly I've seen several Michigan games, and the guy was outclassed by good pass rushers. So I don't really care what Kiper said or Searcy ...and I didn't hear it for one. Boomer pointed out in his previous post about Long - EXACTLY what I was seeing. The guy gets too low on passing plays...and he DOES NOT look like an athlete....sorry dude....there is a HUGE flaw there in my opinion...the way Gholston outclassed him. makes this one a moot point...I don't want the ****tier player...sorry. I think the guy would be fine on the right side, but that doesn't cut it at the top of the draft. He might bench alot and run ok.....doesnt matter...when it comes to protecting the passer I don't want to see my left tackle unable to put himself fluidly in a position to block and have to save himself because he might have long arms...the guy is a stiff