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How much do All-pros contribute to team success?

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I ran across this analysis I thought the board might find interesting. It started with a database of all pro bowl players from 1993 - 2002 and tried to determine if there was a correlation between the number of all pros and the number of wins. Injury replacements were included, punters and kickers were not.

All-Pro
Players Teams Wins Average Wins
0 58 340 5.8
1 42 241 5.7
2 57 421 7.4
3 49 413 8.4
4 40 352 8.8
5 24 257 10.7
6 19 207 10.9
7 8 96 12.0
8 4 47 11.8
9 5 63 12.6
10 2 23 11.5
11 1 12 12.0

It seems to me that if your team has 5 or more expected all pros then it is reasonable to expect double digit wins and (last season notwithstanding) a playoff appearance. Once you get to 7 all pros it doesn't seem that additional all pros means additional wins. We should all bear in mind that the pro bowl is a bit of a popularity contest so that the more successful teams might get more guys on the squad just b/c they are successful.

Next they looked at wins broken down by the position.


Position Teams Wins Avg. Wins
QB 76 804.5 10.6
TE 46 445 9.7
DB 129 1242 9.6
OL 168 1616 9.6
WR 92 880 9.6
RB 72 684 9.5
LB 105 982 9.4
DL 128 1194.5 9.3
FB 21 191 9.1
KR 24 195 8.1


This lends support to those who believe that an all pro QB is the most important factor in a team's success. Of course, the corrolary is that a QB does receive the most credit when a team is successful.

The other stat I thought was interesting is the result when a team places two or more players at a position on the squad.


Position Teams Wins Avg. Wins
WR 5 58 11.6
OL 30 317 10.6
DB 22 229 10.4
LB 9 93 10.3
DL 17 173 10.2

This certainly bodes well for Miami if both Chambers and Boston were to achieve the success this season that we hope they do. Try to refrain from the standard "it doesn't matter b/c Wanny or (insert QB name here) sucks" It's not the point of this thread and there are several other threads already discussing that. Otherwise, discuss.
 
We had the most all-pros in the NFL in 2002 and still missed the playoffs.

Talent level is obviously important. Having good players makes you better, so obviously teams with all-pros are going to have success then teams without them. These stats don't surprise me.
 
iceblizzard69 said:
We had the most all-pros in the NFL in 2002 and still missed the playoffs.

Talent level is obviously important. Having good players makes you better, so obviously teams with all-pros are going to have success then teams without them. These stats don't surprise me.

Eagles did not the miami dolphins.
 
juniorseau55 said:
Eagles did not the miami dolphins.
The best players don't always make All Pro. There are politics involved. If you took out the "perennial" all pro, the guy who makes it even though he shouldnt' (Warren Sapp had a couple of those years), it might be more accurate.
 
iceblizzard69 said:
We had the most all-pros in the NFL in 2002 and still missed the playoffs.

Talent level is obviously important. Having good players makes you better, so obviously teams with all-pros are going to have success then teams without them. These stats don't surprise me.


Lets not forget the importance of having a great coaching staff as well...
 
Bumrush said:
Lets not forget the importance of having a great coaching staff as well...

Yup. There's a reason why the Patriots have won 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls. They have great coaching. If you don't have good coaching, you probably aren't going to go any far. There are exceptions (Barry Switzer) but most teams that win Super Bowls have good coaching.
 
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