Dolphan_B said:I have no idea where some pundits have come up with the idea that Feeley = Fiedler. Based on the tape I saw of Feeley in Phili and the video snippets of Feeley at camp, AJ reminds me of Brian Griese without experience.
If you put Brian behind a great line like he enjoyed in Denver and give him time to find the receivers, then Griese could hit all the passes with touch and dissect a defense. However, once the line broke down and the pass rush started getting to Brian, the immobile Griese did not use the pocket well and could not make the passes necessary to move the team.
In Phili, Feeley enjoyed great pass protection and hit some sweet passes. However, when that pass protection broke down, so did Feeley and the entire offense. See the Giants finale...
Additionally, Feeley had the luxury of facing four subpar defenses. Only the Giants had a top ten defense and they completely shut down Feeley and the Phili O.
In contrast, the AFC Beast will present Feeley with three above average defenses which range from very good (Jets) to great (Pats). Feeley will have to move against those defenses (as well as others like the Titans, Steelers, Bengals and Ravens) behind an OL with four new players. Good luck...
Finally, infinsible was correct about Feeley's lack of touch with short passes. These are supposed to be high percentage passes which make up a good chunk of a QB's workload in today's game. Part of the reason Feeley has such a poor passer rating as a starter (about 72) is that he has problems in this area.
From the video clips and reports from the camp provided by some wonderful posters here, Feeley appears to be behind where Brian Griese was on the learning curve last year. I truly can't see how a few additional QB camps are going to make up for the four seasons of experience which Griese brought to the Dolphins. From the standpoint of experience, Feeley is more like Lucas coming in for the 2001 season.
I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
Dolphan_B said:I have no idea where some pundits have come up with the idea that Feeley = Fiedler. Based on the tape I saw of Feeley in Phili and the video snippets of Feeley at camp, AJ reminds me of Brian Griese without experience.
If you put Brian behind a great line like he enjoyed in Denver and give him time to find the receivers, then Griese could hit all the passes with touch and dissect a defense. However, once the line broke down and the pass rush started getting to Brian, the immobile Griese did not use the pocket well and could not make the passes necessary to move the team.
In Phili, Feeley enjoyed great pass protection and hit some sweet passes. However, when that pass protection broke down, so did Feeley and the entire offense. See the Giants finale...
Additionally, Feeley had the luxury of facing four subpar defenses. Only the Giants had a top ten defense and they completely shut down Feeley and the Phili O.
In contrast, the AFC Beast will present Feeley with three above average defenses which range from very good (Jets) to great (Pats). Feeley will have to move against those defenses (as well as others like the Titans, Steelers, Bengals and Ravens) behind an OL with four new players. Good luck...
Finally, infinsible was correct about Feeley's lack of touch with short passes. These are supposed to be high percentage passes which make up a good chunk of a QB's workload in today's game. Part of the reason Feeley has such a poor passer rating as a starter (about 72) is that he has problems in this area.
From the video clips and reports from the camp provided by some wonderful posters here, Feeley appears to be behind where Brian Griese was on the learning curve last year. I truly can't see how a few additional QB camps are going to make up for the four seasons of experience which Griese brought to the Dolphins. From the standpoint of experience, Feeley is more like Lucas coming in for the 2001 season.
I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
It's not really about what he's done, it's about what he can do. He has enough natural physical ability to develop imto a better QB than JF. He has enough natural leadership ability to develop into a better QB than Griese. Everything else can be learned.Dolphan_B said:I have no idea where some pundits have come up with the idea that Feeley = Fiedler. Based on the tape I saw of Feeley in Phili and the video snippets of Feeley at camp, AJ reminds me of Brian Griese without experience.
If you put Brian behind a great line like he enjoyed in Denver and give him time to find the receivers, then Griese could hit all the passes with touch and dissect a defense. However, once the line broke down and the pass rush started getting to Brian, the immobile Griese did not use the pocket well and could not make the passes necessary to move the team.
In Phili, Feeley enjoyed great pass protection and hit some sweet passes. However, when that pass protection broke down, so did Feeley and the entire offense. See the Giants finale...
Additionally, Feeley had the luxury of facing four subpar defenses. Only the Giants had a top ten defense and they completely shut down Feeley and the Phili O.
In contrast, the AFC Beast will present Feeley with three above average defenses which range from very good (Jets) to great (Pats). Feeley will have to move against those defenses (as well as others like the Titans, Steelers, Bengals and Ravens) behind an OL with four new players. Good luck...
Finally, infinsible was correct about Feeley's lack of touch with short passes. These are supposed to be high percentage passes which make up a good chunk of a QB's workload in today's game. Part of the reason Feeley has such a poor passer rating as a starter (about 72) is that he has problems in this area.
From the video clips and reports from the camp provided by some wonderful posters here, Feeley appears to be behind where Brian Griese was on the learning curve last year. I truly can't see how a few additional QB camps are going to make up for the four seasons of experience which Griese brought to the Dolphins. From the standpoint of experience, Feeley is more like Lucas coming in for the 2001 season.
I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
Bingo!rafael said:IMO the difference between Feeley and BG is the ability to get the ball out quickly, accurately to the right receiver. BG had a slow release. That's why he needed protection. It wasn't his lack of mobility. JF was an improvement over BG b/c he got the ball out so much quicker. The hope is that AJ will be an improvement over JF b/c he gets the ball out even more quickly and more accurately.
Yes I see your point, it would be much better to have Fiedler avoid the rush only to throw an interception as opposed to getting sacked.Dolphan_B said:I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
I can't trust you to have an unbiased opininon when you have a Jay Fiedler avatar. :goof:Dolphan_B said:I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
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inFINSible said:Which is exactly why I'm not even going to bother discussing this with you.
It doesn't take a track star to run a WCO....
Dol-Fan Dupree said:You say that like the Eagles run an offense where the quarterback runs first.
I agree. I think Fiedler keeps his job and Feely comes in eventually, maybe next year. I doubt Feely can carry this team in his first year. Fiedler may not have all the physical tools, but his familiarity with the team is what will make him keep the job.Dolphan_B said:I have no idea where some pundits have come up with the idea that Feeley = Fiedler. Based on the tape I saw of Feeley in Phili and the video snippets of Feeley at camp, AJ reminds me of Brian Griese without experience.
If you put Brian behind a great line like he enjoyed in Denver and give him time to find the receivers, then Griese could hit all the passes with touch and dissect a defense. However, once the line broke down and the pass rush started getting to Brian, the immobile Griese did not use the pocket well and could not make the passes necessary to move the team.
In Phili, Feeley enjoyed great pass protection and hit some sweet passes. However, when that pass protection broke down, so did Feeley and the entire offense. See the Giants finale...
Additionally, Feeley had the luxury of facing four subpar defenses. Only the Giants had a top ten defense and they completely shut down Feeley and the Phili O.
In contrast, the AFC Beast will present Feeley with three above average defenses which range from very good (Jets) to great (Pats). Feeley will have to move against those defenses (as well as others like the Titans, Steelers, Bengals and Ravens) behind an OL with four new players. Good luck...
Finally, infinsible was correct about Feeley's lack of touch with short passes. These are supposed to be high percentage passes which make up a good chunk of a QB's workload in today's game. Part of the reason Feeley has such a poor passer rating as a starter (about 72) is that he has problems in this area.
From the video clips and reports from the camp provided by some wonderful posters here, Feeley appears to be behind where Brian Griese was on the learning curve last year. I truly can't see how a few additional QB camps are going to make up for the four seasons of experience which Griese brought to the Dolphins. From the standpoint of experience, Feeley is more like Lucas coming in for the 2001 season.
I truly do not see how Feeley takes Fiedler's job during this preseason or keep the job if Fiedler came back from yet another injury.
rickeyrunsover said:See DeDolph, that is why I become a smartazz, Reid says they kept the whole offense in and then people watch teh film in slow mo, fwd and rwd and nope you who havent done the same know better than they do? Oookk. Look I am not picking, but it is more reasonable to state that you find it hard to believe. Not there is no way as if it were fact that they didnt keep it the same. If the offense was designed for the qb to run then yeah teh O would have to change for AJ. But I do remember that Monday nite game he played and I remember several rollouts to teh right. The WCO offense is not built around a running qb, it centered around a mobile qb, the 2 are diff. Vick does not run teh WCO, well not til this year. So how exactly do you know they dumbed down the offense, you got someone on the inside? And dont say anyone with knowledge would know, cause I would say InFins has and others have shown the intellect as it relates to football.