utahphinsfan
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But I doubt youll find anyone worried about that team's long term future.
Please. Its the Falcons for cryin out loud. If 1 absolute exists in the NFL its that Atl is real good for a yr or two every decade.
But I doubt youll find anyone worried about that team's long term future.
To me, this is just like folks that argue Montana was a better QB than Marino simply because Montana had much better talent around him to help them win games. They judge not by the merit of the individual QB play, but based solely on the 53 man team success.
They give all the credit to Matt Ryan for being on a team that wins 13 games, even though the guy rarely has dominante performances. Usually, his performances are quite ordinary.
Truly elite QB's like Marino, Manning, Brady and now Rodgers are guys that take above average (or sometimes even mediocre) talent and make them contenders. They don't put up 1 300 yard game per year, they do it all year long. When the talent around them is actually very good, then they put up unbelievable numbers.
Now, Ryan is still better than any Dolphins QB this decade, so in hindsight I agree that we should've taken him. But... it wasn't as big of a mistake as passing on Rodgers was, that's for sure. Our consolation prize to Ryan is the best LT in pro football. Hopefully he'll someday have the chance to block for a top 10 QB. For Rodgers, the consolation prize was a RB who has been decent, but often injured and easily replaceable.
This. A good top 15 qb. But in the playoffs you need either a top 10 qb or a good but not great qb paired with a championship calibre D. The Falcons have neither. And I am up here among these Bird fans. Can't wait to hear the crying in the office on Monday.
I think about it like this...in baseball would you rather have an elite relief pitcher or a good starter? The good starter is gonna make more of an impact in the win column than any reliever. Its great to have that elite reliever, but the position just isnt as valuable.Ryan and Long through three years have the same amount of playoff wins. Ryan is a one time Pro Bowler and Long is a three time Pro Bowler. Also, Long is much more likely to he wearing a gold jacket at the end of his career.
LMAO at Dolphins fans laughing at a QB who lead his team to the #1 seed and threw 9 INTs all year. Yeah, Ryan wasnt very good tonight. But I doubt youll find anyone worried about that team's long term future.
He also played the Bucs and Saints 4 times, winning 3 of those games. Beat the Packers. Beat the Ravens.Can you say NFC West?
I agree with all of this.1. Anyone who says Ryan sucks is WAY out of line.
2. Anyone who says he's a great QB is WAY out of line.
3. Anyone who says he's a franchise QB is WAY out of line - not that he won't become one.
4. If Miami had the draft to do over again, M. Ryan would have to be the choice - even though Long is the MUCH better player. QB is just much more valuable than LT.
5. When it looked like we were getting Harbaugh, I thought we'd get our QB for sure. Now, I think there's a 15% chance.
6. If we don't get our QB, we're eternally (or until we get him) ****ed.
7. I remember a thread where people were LOL'ing at other people for saying Rodgers is better than Ryan. If you put all the QB's in the league in a line - factoring in age - Rodgers would be the consensus #1.
And how about the Dolphins? Not good for 2 decades.Please. Its the Falcons for cryin out loud. If 1 absolute exists in the NFL its that Atl is real good for a yr or two every decade.
Well said. If we're ranking the poor QB decisions the last 6 years or so it would go something like:
1. drafting Ronnie over Rodgers
2. trading for Culpepper over signing Brees
3. drafting Jake Long over Ryan
And NO ONE was making a case for Ryan as the number 1 pick that year. Most were saying he had a million question marks and was not even close to being a can't miss prospect. I still don't think he's elite.
Nice post. But... the last part is not true. There were several on finheaven that wanted Ryan at #1. I certainly wasn't one of them, but there were a few...
I don't get why people are so interested in what the guy does since he isn't nor will he ever be a dolphin.