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Why would the Knicks do this? It doesn't make them a better team. It just makes them a better scoring team. Carmelo could care less about defense. Plus, they could of got Carmelo for free.
Official: Melo to the Knicks
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Biggest winners in this deal are the Lakers, Mavericks, and Spurs.
Ferretsquig
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Even healthy, happy, and motivated, would you take the Nuggets over the Spurs, Mavs, or Lakers in a 7 game series?
'Melo was looking for the money. It wouldn't be surprising if it comes out that 'Melo told the Knicks to either trade for him or watch him sign an extension in NJ or Denver. I think he was frightened of what the new CBA will be, and rightfully so. The owners will get what they want.....they always do.
And if you're the Knicks you do it because this is a star driven league, and 'Melo is a star. You don't win in this league without a couple top 20 players. It'll take time, but they now have the foundation for a championship team.....they couldn't say that yesterday.
'Melo was looking for the money. It wouldn't be surprising if it comes out that 'Melo told the Knicks to either trade for him or watch him sign an extension in NJ or Denver. I think he was frightened of what the new CBA will be, and rightfully so. The owners will get what they want.....they always do.
And if you're the Knicks you do it because this is a star driven league, and 'Melo is a star. You don't win in this league without a couple top 20 players. It'll take time, but they now have the foundation for a championship team.....they couldn't say that yesterday.
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What foundation? The Knicks are never winning a championship with their 2 best players being god awful defenders, especially with a terrible coach like D'Antoni. They replaced a 26 year old PG having a great year for a 34 year old PG who probably won't be there next year. They traded Chandler, Gallinari, and Mozgov. Got a bunch of bums back. I actually feel bad for Knicks fans. That team isn't going anywhere.
Haha, the haters will hate. Don't worry heat fans we are still a year or two away from competing for the championship with you. Do not forget that you had a year head start with your off the shelf bought team as well.
As for the trade, you all give the knicks a lot of crap because of the all offense no defense system they run and in the same breath say that the knicks gave up a great nucleus of young players in the melo trade. Time will tell if these players are average players whose numbers were bumped up under the knicks system or if they actually will be starters on another team. Most of the players traded from the knicks would not have been resigned by the knicks when their contracts ran out anyway. Galo will be a nice role player if he stays healthy.
The knicks do need a more defensive minded coach, I will give you that, and they are not done making moves yet still will get a long term point guard and a big body to take up space in the middle. So you do have a year or two to get your business in order heat fans, you may be right in "not being afraid" at the moment but there exists that seed of worry in your minds that was not there 2 nights ago... Maybe the knicks are going to be a team to worry about.
As for the trade, you all give the knicks a lot of crap because of the all offense no defense system they run and in the same breath say that the knicks gave up a great nucleus of young players in the melo trade. Time will tell if these players are average players whose numbers were bumped up under the knicks system or if they actually will be starters on another team. Most of the players traded from the knicks would not have been resigned by the knicks when their contracts ran out anyway. Galo will be a nice role player if he stays healthy.
The knicks do need a more defensive minded coach, I will give you that, and they are not done making moves yet still will get a long term point guard and a big body to take up space in the middle. So you do have a year or two to get your business in order heat fans, you may be right in "not being afraid" at the moment but there exists that seed of worry in your minds that was not there 2 nights ago... Maybe the knicks are going to be a team to worry about.
Ferretsquig
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Pierce was a miserable defender. Ray Allen never played defense in his life. Doc Rivers was a horrible coach whose teams consistently ranked among the leagues worst in every defensive category. Remember his glorious Orlando days?
Anthony can play defense.....Amare can as well. D'Antoni can and has coached good defensive teams when hes had the talent.
I know its not what the 76er's fan wants to hear, but in the NBA you don't win with clever drafting and by nurturing average talent. You either luck out and land a superstar in the draft, find a way to trade for one, or are a desirable enough location to attract one via free agency. Every year you can pick 3-6 teams from which the champion will emerge, and they all have similar characteristics. In a sport where individual talent reigns supreme, that's just the way its always going to be.
Anthony can play defense.....Amare can as well. D'Antoni can and has coached good defensive teams when hes had the talent.
I know its not what the 76er's fan wants to hear, but in the NBA you don't win with clever drafting and by nurturing average talent. You either luck out and land a superstar in the draft, find a way to trade for one, or are a desirable enough location to attract one via free agency. Every year you can pick 3-6 teams from which the champion will emerge, and they all have similar characteristics. In a sport where individual talent reigns supreme, that's just the way its always going to be.
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Saying Carmelo and Amare can play defense is the most laughable thing I've ever heard. Amare even said he's never been taught defense, and I believe it. One pathetic excuse for a defender. The difference between the Celtics and Knicks, Thibodeu is one of the best defensive coaches I've seen, and that's why the Bulls will be a championship contender year in and year out. Knicks will never win a title with their current setup, and neither will the Heat as long as they keep putting garbage around the big 3. The NBA is not a superstar driven league at all. You need great coaching/system. Celtics have a great system on both sides of the floor. As did the Pistons. As do the Lakers. As have the Spurs for the longest time under Popovich. The Knicks system is a disaster that will never beat a good team in a 7 game series. The Heat's big 3 will never beat a great team in a 7 game series by themselves either. They can't even do it in the regular season.
And when has D'Antoni ever coached a good defense? It wasn't with the Nuggets when he was fired after 1 season. It wasn't with the Suns where he had a bottom 7 defense every year there.
Ferretsquig
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Of course he has to learn and put forth the effort but that doesn't mean he can't play d.
He had a very good defensive team with the Suns during the Kurt Thomas era.
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28th and 23rd ranked defenses while Kurt Thomas was there. Talk about a very good defensive team. D'Antoni has never, and will never coach a top 15 defensive team. He's a poor mans Don Nelson. Nelson never won a championship, and neither will D'Antoni, with a similar system.
PhinsPhan11
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This.
dreday
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Ferretsquig
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He coached the 13th ranked defense in '07 and 11th in '06. And while that's nothing spectacular, they were actually a good defensive squad......just undersized and poor rebounders. Marion, Thomas, Bell, Jones....he had some quality players on those teams.
Lets not be so simple minded that we measure efficiency by total points scored. Teams play at a different pace, and the total points scored for or against has nothing to do with how good an offense or defense is.
dreday
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d'Antoni's system wins you games during the season, but come playoffs when the uptempo style is gone and the half court game settles in then its a wrap.
just ask greg popovich.
just ask greg popovich.
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No need to be simple minded. Points determine games, and if you're giving up a lot of them, guess what, you're not very good defensively. And it's not like Phoenix made up for giving up a lot of points by doing other things. 14th and 16th in opponent FG% those 2 years. 21st and 25th in steals. 13th and 15th in blocks. 20th both years in opposing 3 point %. So please, explain to me again when D'Antoni ever coached a "very good defense", because it's never happened, and it never will, especially when you get rid of your only perimeter defender in Chandler, and replace him with a god awful defender like Carmelo.