Rex Ryan

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  1. TPD1479

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    sorry had to get it off my chest. Rex is already talking smack saying no ones going to want to play us. Article on NFL.com Theres nothing I hate more on earth than the NY Jets
     
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    Rex is a good coach but the guy just never learns. Every time he opens up his mouth about his team, it backfires.
     
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    Maybe I'm alone on this, but I like the trash talking. I like end-zone celebrations, hell anything that makes for a good show. At the end of the day he is putting that more pressure on himself and his team to backup his claims.
     
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    Stay humble Rex.

    I understand the strategy behind hyping your team and putting a target on the teams back.

    But not when you have a un-proven QB as the face of the franchise. Much less when you bring in a veteran washed up QB to compete.

    Toss in a high profile market and hostile fans.........

    Disaster.
     
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    Link please? What exactly did he say?
     
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    Jets suck
     
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    The Jets do have a pretty good shot at being a playoff team in 2014. Please lets not kid ourselves and say they're going to suck because , well that's what we always do here. One thing I've learned is if you bet New York Jets football based off Finheaven you'd go broke in a hurry.
     
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    Did you see their draft? I highly doubt they go 7-9 this year. I project the Bills doing much better than the Jets.
     
  9. MRojas4

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    Jets have just as much question marks surrounding the team as the Dolphins.

    Can Geno Smith grown?

    Can the Pass Defense improve?

    Do they have legit WR's?

    etc.....
     
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    how about we move this into beasts of the east, before the inevitable can occur in our main forum?
     
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    I like trash talking and all the rest of the shenanigans, but I think it should only come from players. After all they have the ability to actually back up their smack talk with game play. Coaches, not so much.
     
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    :chuckle:


    ------ Junc count down :smad:
     
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    I didn't get to see the article, but you have to love Rex Ryan.

    2009: Says that the Jets are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, and then several weeks later says they should be the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Wrong on both accounts. :lol:

    2010: Says he sees a Jets Super Bowl trophy in his crystal ball. Wrong again! :lol:

    2011: Says this time he knows the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl. Wrong! :lol:

    2011: Says that the Jets are better than the Giants and the Jets will beat them:

    Jets go on to miss the playoffs while the Giants win the Super Bowl. Boy was he Wrong! :lol:

    2011: Says the Ravens will beat the Patriots in the AFCC game. Wrong!

    2012: Says this team has a chance to be the best team I've had since being the head coach. The Jets finish 6-10 with a buttfumble. Wrong! :lol:

    2013: Tells players he believes he is getting fired. Wrong! :lol:
     
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    My response to Rex would be, "Win and then you can run your mouth."
     
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    except for 2009 and 2010. he didn't talk big the last 2 years, the only year it backfired was 2011. Talking doesn't win or lose games but rex talking again tells me he is confident in his team so I feel pretty good. I love rex, one of the best coaches in the league and the best thing to happen to my team in my lifetime.
     
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    Why does someone you don't even know in real life get so completely under your skin for making comments I'd expect any head football coach to make?
     
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    the Jets have been better than the Giants 3 of the 5 years Rex has been here.

    talked big in 2009 and 2010, his team was one of the best in the league so the talk was backed up. the only year he talked and they didn't back it up was 2011.

    he is a master motivator, when he told the team he thought he was getting fired it was to get his team to play for him, they finished 3-1 and knocked Miami out of the playoffs. you guys would kill to have a coach as good as him and you would have been a playoff team last year with him.

    ---------- Post added at 03:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:38 PM ----------

    :lol:
     
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    He was on wfan, being interviewed by Mike Francesca. I didn't listen to it but heard he said the Jets are a playoff team. Just go to wfan.com and you can see the interview. He never learns.
     
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    absolutely we have questions but we have boatloads more talent than last year and a top notch coaching staff so I expect the playoffs this year but we'll see.
     
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    Coaches shouldn't talk it puts a big X on his team's backs.
     
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    I am not a trash talker and I don't love it normally but it is who rex is and I don't want hi to change. he has dialed it back but I want old rex back. His players love it and that is what is most important.

    The Jets did not lose any games b/c of rex talking. No team had more motivation to beat the Jets after rex talked than NE in the '10 playoffs and the jets manhandled them.
     
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    He made the comments about being better than the Giants in 2011. The Giants have been better every year since, except this past year when the Jets finished 1 game ahead. The Giants also have won a Super Bowl win to show off while Rex and the Jets have nothing.

    How did that master motivation work out when the Jets needed to beat the Giants to make the playoffs?

    He predicted Super Bowl wins in 2009 and 2010, so no, he didn't back it up.

    No, you guys can keep him. I don't want a coach like Rex. We could do worse if Ross decides to go in another directions next year, but Rex hasn't proven to me that he is a great head coach. There is a decent chance that Rex will be available next year. I just hope Ross isn't desperate enough to bring him in.
     
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    Because I'm a 43 year old true DOLFAN from NY who can't stand the Jests. It's May and he's talking like hes coming off a dominating Super Bowl win. Yes/no smack talk is good but in May. It's PATHETIC like their franchise and their fans
     
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    he wrote a book after the 2010 season w/ those comments, the were pretty even in 2011 but the Giants had the luxury of playing in a weak division and winning a div title w/ 9 wins then getting hot and winning the SB, NYG was better in '12, NYJ was better in '13.

    he didn't predict SB wins, he talked about winning SBs. the only year he came out and "guaranteed" a SB win was at the 2011 combine.

    you can have all the post shula coaches you have had which is why you haven't even been close to a conf title game.

    rex is one of the best HCs in the league, he had some of the worst talent in the l4eague last year and finished in 2nd place while offseason champ Miami missed the playoffs and finished behind the Jets again. if last year didn't prove it I don't know what will prove it for you. he has done his best work the last 2 years despite not having his best records.

    Ross has the next dynamic hot, old assistant ready to bring in when he fires mr. personality after this season:lol2:

    ---------- Post added at 04:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:04 PM ----------

    says the guy celebrating SBs from 40 years ago in his avatar.
     
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    Not to mention if we didn't lay an egg last game he prob would have been fired

    ---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:05 PM ----------

    Still not as long as your joke of a team.
     
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    That egg was courtesy of rex having his team ready to play and badly outplaying a much more talented team on the road.

    almost the same amount of time actually, we won ours 46 years ago, you won your last one 41 years ago. I will be 40 in the coming years and I was not alive for any of them.
     
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    The egg was courtesy of a thin Oline and players tired of dealing with bullygate. And fact is if Wallace catches that bomb from Tannehill it's 14-0 game over. But that's the past
     
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    the thin line that dominated one of the best DLs in the game and you guys beat NE and needed one win after that, bully gate was in the distant past at that point.

    Ryan can't throw a deep ball, if he could you skate to the playoffs last year.
     
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    I don't mind him saying these things. Its just Rex being Rex. You either love or hate the guy there is no grey area imo.
     
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    He wrote the book with a bunch of foolish comments and hasn't made the playoffs or had a winning record since. You can make up all the excuses you want, but the Giants won the Super Bowl beating Rex and the Jets along the way.

    What is the difference? In 2010 he signed Adam Schefter’s training camp bus, “Soon to be champs “. When asked about it, he said: Again I’m not apologizing I just know what’s going to happen. My crystal ball I’m seeing a Super Bowl trophy in there. Sounds like a prediction to me. :idk:

    Us having bad coaches since Shula doesn't have anything to do with me wanting a better one than Rex. I said we could do worse than Rex (which we have many times), but I want someone better than Rex Ryan. Rex has had 2 winning seasons out of 5. One of which wouldn't have happened if not for the Colts resting starters. So, he was very close to having only 1 winning season out of 5. Rex also has a losing record against the bad coaches we have had.

    He didn't have some the worst talent. Maybe at QB and WR, but the Jets have always had a strong rushing attack and defense. I will give Ryan full credit for the Jets defense, but his focus on D has also hurt the O. Winning 8 games and finishing ahead of the Dolphins on a tie breaker is supposed to prove that he is one of the best coaches in the league? :lol:

    Rex doesn't act like a professional, and comes off like a buffoon. As a Dolphin fan, it is entertaining, but I don't want a head coach like Rex Ryan. No thanks!

    Ross wanted Jim Harbaugh. He turned out alright. We had to settle for Philbin, and the jury is still out. Rex has about as good a chance of being fired after this year as Mr. personality. You wouldn't think that would be the case if he was one of the best coached in the league. :chuckle:
     
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    he's only had one losing record since.

    The man takes the heat for his team, I can't believe people don't realize that. Pats playoff week no one was talking about 45-3, everyone was talking about rex and his big talk. It got a player benched for a qtr by Belichick.

    Rex is one of the best in the NFL, why wouldn't you want Rex?

    He had one of the worst rosters entering the season of anyone. we purged players and allowed a bunch to leave via FA last year while not replacing any or making any big moves. the "experts" thought we'd win 3-4 games and finish in last, he had us in playoff contention most of the year and we won 8 and finished in 2nd.

    He may act like a buffoon in the media but at least he isn't really a buffoon like your HC who allowed the dolphins to spiral out of control and was clearly in over his head.

    You guys told me Rex would be fired last year, rex isn't going anywhere unless the team implodes. The owner loves Rex and for good reason. He finally has a playoff caliber roster again, this team is going to be a playoff team.
     
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    That doesn't change the fact that he hasn't made the playoffs, or had a winning record since.

    I disagree. His talking ensures that the opponent is going to give full effort, and it puts more pressure on his team. The team responded to it early on, but he turned into the boy who cried wolf with one foolish comment after another.

    What makes Rex one of the best in the NFL? Only having 1 losing season doesn't change the fact that he has been the head coach for a team that hasn't made the playoffs, or had a winning record in 3 years. How many other coaches that are considered the best in the NFL have done that?

    That is funny since you were praising that same coach when it looked certain they were going to make the playoffs, and claim that the bullying scandal had nothing to do with the team's poor performance down the stretch. I'm not defending Philbin. He has his faults. I could say he has only had 1 losing season so far like you do for Rex, but Philbin is on the hot seat and I won't deny that. Again, the quality of coaches we have / had doesn't change how good or bad Rex is as a head coach.

    Everyone said that for good reason. Rex even thought he was getting fired with 2 games left in the season. You can thank the Dolphins poor performance for saving Rex's job. Another 8-8 season isn't going to cut it. If Rex doesn't make the playoffs, he is gone. Unless the NFL decides to expand the playoffs this year, I don't see it happening.
     
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    he had a lot less talent to work with, he's done his best 2 jobs the last 2 years even though they haven't made it either year and again he only has 1 losing season.

    did NE give full effort in the 2010 playoffs? how about Indy the week before? the only game he didn't talk bug before was the Pitt game and they lost. The game is about execution.

    what makes him one of the best? one of the leaders in playoffs ins since 2009, teams always competitive, team always gives effort, teams love to play for him, won 14 games last 2 seasons w/ teams that should have won about 6-7, one of the best D coaches in the game.

    I thought Philbin did a good job until those last 2 weeks but when you lose to 2 mediocre/bad teams and score 7 pts total in the process all the good will goes out the window.

    The bullying thing was an excuse. That was in the rearview mirror when they won 3 straight and 4 of 5 including beating the Pats and being in great shape the last 2 weeks of the year. The bully thing came back into the discussion after they choked.

    Philbin has 1 losing season in 2 seasons, Rex 1 in 5. philbin has zero winning seasons too.

    The Jets have a great shot to make the playoffs and a great coach to get them there. I am fully confident in him, too bad you can't say the same about your coach.
     
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    I don't believe Rex had no say over the roster. He has had 3 years to help shape it. His focus has always been on D. The D and running game have always been good which has enabled the Jets to stay competitive. What good is only 1 losing season when it comes along with no winning seasons and no playoffs?

    I'm sure they did. Just because they won those games doesn't mean they didn't have more pressure on them, or face greater effort from the other team than they would have. If running your mouth was such a great strategy, all the other head coaches would be doing the same. It seemed to work for Rex early on, but it quickly turned into a joke.

    As long as the experts thinks the Jets will win 4 or 5 games in a given season, you will think Rex is great as long as the team wins 6 or 8 games? As long as the players love to play for him, stay competitive, and give their best effort, you're good with no playoffs and no winning seasons in 3 years?

    Those things are great, but not when they only produce 2 winning seasons out of 5. One of which was practically given to him.

    You said he allowed the team to spiral out of control. Then claim that the bullying thing was just an excuse. You can't have it both ways.

    I think if you took a poll from other Jets fans, I'm confident that you would be in the minority. Your confidence in him doesn't mean much. I'm confident that Philbin can bring this team to the playoffs. What does that prove? Both have as much of a shot at getting fired as they do of making the playoffs. The difference is that only one of us is claiming that their head coach is one of the best in the league.
     
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    He's not a GM, whether he had influence or not is meaningless. They had a good roster the first 2 years and had to re-toll it, they had one bad season and now look like they could be a force in the coming years.

    talking doesn't win or lose a game, it's nice for the media and fans to talk about but it doesn't do anything.

    everyone thought the Jets would be awful last year and despite losing his starting QB and having a million other injuries on O he led them to 8 wins.

    Only 1 losing season.

    playoff wins since 2009:

    John Harbaugh 7
    Mike McCarthy 5
    Sean Payton 5
    Jim Harbaugh 5
    Pete Carrol 5
    Rex Ryan 4
    Bill Belichick 4
    Tom Coughlin 4
    Mike Tomlin 2
    John Fox 2
    Mike Smith 1

    Not bad company


    The bullying thing was overcome, they lost b/c they weren't good enough and weren't well coached enough.

    I don't care what jet fans think though the majority wanted him back.

    we know Rex can, you think Philbin can. I think if we switch the coaches last year we win 4-5 games and Miami is easily in the playoffs.
     
  37. phins_4_ever

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    You are truly a laughing stock. So here you run around and hold your two AFCC games in the air because that's what counts. I got news for you. It doesn't matter if you went 4 out of 5 years to the Superbowl and lost - the Giants won one that makes them better than the Jets.

    Plus, since 2009 the Giants have one more regular season win than the Jets.
    Plus, The Giants have 4 playoff wins just as many as the Jets in the same span (2009-2013)
    Plus, The Giants have no playoff loss while the Jets have two in that span.

    Yes, the Giants were better between 2009 and 2013.

    Good bye.

    You are an (almost) 28,000 post troll.
     
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    It's great to have fans and inspire people who never post to actually post. I wish they knew more about this sport but one thing at a time.
     
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    Just the fact that you think you actually have fans is an indication how delusional you are. Believe me. You really don't have fans here.
    I do post. I just don't spend my entire workday on messageboards as you do. There is a reason that you can't really go on a messageboard at night (and no that you want to spend time with your family is not the reason).

    And you are telling me that I have no knowledge? You didn't even contradict my post but rather focused on something trivial (you).

    So, no. The Jets were not better (since 2009) than the Giants.
     
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    The Jets have been better 3 of 5 years, that's better. The Giants had the best single postseason but if they played in the AFC East they wouldn't even have made the postseason.

    Thank you for being a fan.
     
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    They have gone D in the first round every year for the last 4 years. Rex has had a lot to do with that. He's not a GM, but he is partly to blame for not focusing more on the offense. It is a big reason why they have missed the playoffs for 3 straight years. How many coaches that are considered one of the best go 3 years without a winning record and making the playoffs?

    It doesn't do anything but put a target on the team. There is a reason why most coaches don't give or want their players to give the other teams bulletin board material.

    I don't care what the experts predicted. Half of them have no idea what they are talking about. The Jets had the talent to be in the 6 to 8 win range. Going 8-8 with that team doesn't make him a great coach.

    It's great that they were able to win some playoff games when they got in, but all those wins came in only 2 appearances and resulted in nothing. I might give a coach (who doesn't make the playoffs often) a pass if he won the Super Bowl in one of those appearances, but not when you come out of it with nothing to show for it. When you only make the playoffs 2 out of 5 years (with one of those years basically a gimme playoff birth), I can't consider you one of the best coaches in the NFL. Let's take a look at where Rex ranks in playoff apps compared to other coaches.

    Playoff apps since 2009:

    Bill Belichick 5
    Mike McCarthy 5
    John Harbaugh 4
    Marvin Lewis 4
    Mike Smith 3
    John Fox 3
    Sean Payton 3
    Jim Harbaugh 3 (Only been in the league since 2011 and has more playoff apps)
    Pete Carrol 3 (Only been in the league since 2010 and has more playoff apps)
    Andy Reid 3
    Mike Tomlin 2
    Gary Kubiak 2
    Jim Caldwell 2
    Rex Ryan 2
    Tom Coughlin 1

    Only Coughlin has fewer playoff apps, but he won a Super Bowl with that appearance.

    All you know is what Rex has done with a completely different roster. You don't know what he can do with this roster. Philbin has exhibited some weakness in his two seasons as HC, but I'm confident he can lead this team to a playoff birth. He will have another shot at Rex in week 17. We'll see what happens.



    Only if you are judging by winning more games in individual seasons and not considering anything else. Do you really care that the Jets were 1 game better in 2013 when they won 8 games and missed the playoffs? That gives them a year as being better, but who cares when both teams didn't even have a winning record? You always talk about playoff wins and the Giants have the same amount in that time period, but have no losses and a Super Bowl win.

    You do know the Giants went 5-0 against AFC East teams in 2011 right? :lol:

    Ask anyone else which team in New York has been better over the last 5 years, and the clear answer will be the New York Giants.
     
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    Sure that's better. Of course. In the jun(k)c world everything is better because all we have to do is change the parameters. Let me change the parameters as well. Coughlin and the Giants were more successful in the last 5 years than Ryan and the Jets.

    You don't have to thank me for being a Dolphins fan.
     
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    Winning more games than another team in a given season is not the only parameter to look at to determine which team has been better. Let's take a look at what else should be considered.

    Playoff apps:
    Jets 2
    Giants 1

    Advantage Jets.


    Regular season wins:
    Giants 43
    Jets 42

    Advantage Giants.

    Head to head:
    Giants 1-0
    Jets 0-1

    Advantage Giants.

    Winning seasons:
    Giants 3
    Jets 2

    Advantage Giants.


    Division titles:
    Giants 1
    Jets 0

    Advantage Giants.


    Playoff wins:
    Giants 4
    Jets 4

    Draw.

    AFC / NFC titles:

    Giants 1
    Jets 0

    Advantage Giants.



    Super Bowl titles:
    Giants 1
    Jets 0

    Advantage Giants.


    :ponder:
     
  44. nyjunc

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    It is actually 5 straight years and in one of them we had 2 1st rounders and went D. I think it is more coincidence than anything else. the players they felt were the best that were available they took.

    How did they make 2 title games if that target was so huge? Cincy, SD, Indy and NE weren't motivated enough to beat them?

    I am usually pretty close w/ my expectations, I expected 6-7 wins last year. we got 8, that's still exceeding expectations and those expectations were w/ Mark at QB and a healthy offense which we had neither. if we had mark and a healthy O we cruise into the playoffs. the healthy talent and a QB that wasn't ready we probably should have won 4-5 games.

    so what? Tomlin's PO wins came in 2 seasons, Coughlins in 1, BB's in 3, Fox in 1, etc...

    Carroll won a division at 7-9 and has had much more talent than Rex ever had. Give Rex those rosters and those teams are winning big. The jets had roster issues the last few years and he still kept them competitive.


    w/ the worst roster in the division last year he led them to a 2nd place finish.


    5-0 is awesome(4 in reg season) but they ended up 9-7, 9 wins doesn't cut it in this division. even giving them 2 more wins(max they could win in a div) they win 11 which is 2 les than what it would have taken to win division that year.


    those are people that haven't paid attention, one fluky SB run doesn't outweigh 3 of 5 better years. I'd rather have the one fluky title but they haven't made a postseason since and since 2001 they have won playoff games in only 2 seasons.

    more reg season wins in weaker division.

    div title at 9-7 in that weak division, Jets won 11 and finished 3 games back in 2010.



    you forget:

    better record:

    Jets 3
    Giants 2

    playoff wins in different seasons:

    Jets 2
    Giants 1

    WC wins:
    Jets 2
    Giants 1

    div rd wins:
    Jets 2
    Giants 1

    title game apps:
    Jets 2
    Giants 1




    Jets
     
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    :lol:

    you forgot about challenges.

    So basically for you to make a case for the Jets you have to break it down to the most miniscule comparisons. How about points scored against common opponents.

    But your last post is picture-book proof that you are nothing but a troll. Just can't give up and god-forbid you are actually wrong.

    Actually your posts are almost baiting.
     
  46. The New Guy

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    Whether you want to believe it is a coincidence or not, I have no doubt that Rex has some say in who they draft. He is a great D coordinator, but he has always put a lot more focus on the D over the O. When you haven't made the playoffs, or had a winning record in 3 years, the coach deserves part of the blame.


    We've discussed my thoughts on how they made titles games plenty of times. I think the teams were plenty motivated, but outside of NE, the rest just weren't good enough.

    You also thought that they could be playoff contenders if things broke right. The majority of Jets fans predictions I saw had them at 8-8 or better. Rex going 8-8 was no great feat. It doesn't prove that he is one of the best coaches in the league.

    So what? All of those coaches you named (Outside of Coughlin) not only make the playoffs on a constant basis, but have made it to the Super Bowl in the last 4 years. Rex has only made the playoffs 2 out of 5 years and has nothing to show for his limited playoffs apps. He doesn't qualify as one of the best coaches in the league.


    The Giants ended up 9-7 with losses to really good teams like 13-3 SF, 13-3 NO, and 15-1 GB. They also lost a few to some bad / average teams so they were tough to figure out. All I know for sure is that they matched up very well against NE and the rest of the AFCE that year. They were 5-0 going 2-0 against NE that year, and NE got to 13 wins by sweeping the Jets. If the Giants swept NE, that takes away 2 wins from them and adds 2 wins to the Giants. I think they would have had a much better shot at a division title then you think.


    It isn't that fluky when they won one just 4 seasons before. When the Jets were better in 2009 and 2010, they didn't win anything. When the Giants were better in 2011, they won the Super Bowl! Big difference!



    Again, who cares about a better record when neither team has a winning record? It is 2-2 when at least 1 of the two teams finished with a winning record. Who cares about WC wins and division wins when you don't make the Super Bowl? Even if you want to add those ridiculous categories to the others, it makes it a 6 to 6 tie. The Giants won a Super Bowl while the Jets won nothing, so the tie breaker goes to them. :up:
     
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    common opponents:

    2009:

    NYJ 4-2
    NYG 3-3(NYG lost at home to SD in reg season, NYJ beat SD on ROAD in playoffs)

    point differential in 6 games:

    NYJ +58
    NYG + 5

    big edge Jets


    2010:
    NYJ 4-2
    NYG 4-2

    NYJ +2
    NYG +12

    **included NYG getting crushed by INdy in reg season and NYJ beating Indy on the road in the playoffs)

    edge: Jets

    2011:
    NYJ 5-4
    NYG 7-3

    NYJ -2
    NYG +13

    edge NYG

    2012:

    NYJ 0-1
    NYG 1-0

    NYJ -34
    NYG +23
    only played 1 game, SF blew us out, NYG blew out SF. Not enough games to draw any conclusions.

    2013
    NYJ 1-1
    NYG 1-1
    only 2 games, hard to draw any conclusions

    NYJ even
    NYG -34

    totals:

    NYJ 14-10
    NYG 16-9

    differential

    NYJ +24
    NYG +19

    pretty close all around w/ jets getting edge in 2 of 3 seasons where we had more than 2 common games. the 2 and under we split 1-1.

    does this satisfy you? can you actually post something meaningful rather than hurling more childish insults?
     
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    He is judged on coaching not talent acquisition. He is not the GM.

    He's only had 1 losing season in 5 years.

    so the hottest team in football in 2009 wasn't good enough?

    I don't believe I ever mentioned them being playoff contenders. The last season I thought they could be a playoff team was 2011.

    Rex going 8-8 was an incredible feat, COY worthy.

    Tomlin has made it just 2 times since 2009.

    McCarthy has an easy division
    BB has Brady

    Fox has made it just 2 times

    Coughlin once


    they ended up 9-7, right? in a weak division.

    now we are getting into if they sweep NE? if Miami swept NE last year they would have made the playoffs!


    they were both pretty fluky, 2 mediocre/decent teams that got hot and played great D and had some incredible bounces go their way. the 2 runs were very similar. The Jets didn't win anything but showed some consistency. The Giants have 8 playoff wins since 2001 and all 8 came in just 2 postseasons.
     
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    I do judge him on his coaching. But if a coach thinks he doesn't have the talent he needs to be successful, he needs to speak up. The talent excuse might fly for 1 year, but not 3 years. I think Rex has been just fine with the rosters he has had. We are talking about the guy who thought that the 2012 team might be the best team he had since being the HC. :lol:

    1 losing season along with two 8-8 and a 9-7 season that includes a win against a team that had no desire to play. He basically has 1 true winning season in 5 years.

    SD was overrated. I know they were 13-3 and had won 11 straight, but only 3 of those wins came against teams with a winning record. One of those teams being the Cincinnati Bengals who were not very good. The Eagles and Cowboys were the other two teams.

    You did:

    Go back and look at the record most Jets fans predicted. The majority had them at 8-8 or better.

    Just back up 1 year and Tomlin has made it 3 times, and has also been to two Super Bowls. Fox has been 3 times (not 2) and has also made it to the Super Bowl. You can make up all the excuses you want, but those coaches not only make the playoffs more often than Rex, they also have made it to the Super Bowl. Rex has failed on both accounts.

    So what? They lost to some good non division opponents. The only bad team they lost to outside of their division was Seattle. The Giants own NE and match up well with the rest of the AFCE. They went 5-0 against the AFCE that year. That is the point. They did sweep NE! I don't see why it would be any different that year had they been in the AFCE.

    You sound like you are describing the Jets. :chuckle: A mediocre / decent team that got hot and played great D. The only difference is the Giants played well throughout the playoffs and won two Super Bowls while the Jets choked in the AFC Championship games.

    The Giants had two playoff apps in a 5 year period, and won 2 Super Bowls. The Jets have only made the playoffs twice in 5 years and have nothing to show for it.

    I wonder why you went back that many years and stopped at 2001? Was it because if you backed up 1 more year you would have to add 2 more playoff wins and another Super Bowl app for the Giants? :lol: I'm not sure how you can discredit the Giants for all of their playoff wins coming in only 2 post seasons that happened over a 5 year span, when all 4 of the Jets playoff wins came in only 2 post seasons in 5 years. Yeah, the Jets playoff wins came in back to back seasons. So what? Why is that more impressive than winning 2 Super Bowls in 5 years? The Giants never went more than 2 seasons without making the playoffs. The Jets are already on 3 years. At least the Giants proved that they could once again be Super Bowl Champs after missing the playoffs for 2 years. The Jets have yet to prove that they can even get back to the playoffs.
     
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    Junc like most Jet fans is very Jealous of the giants.
     

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