Slimm's Underrated Prospects (Underclassman)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Quarterback:

    Kurt Hess - Youngstown St.

    A.J. McCarron - Alabama

    Casey Pachall - TCU

    Tyler Tettleton - Ohio

    Derek Carr - Fresno St.

    Kolton Browning - UL-Monroe




    Runningback:

    LaDarius Perkins - Mississippi St.

    Jeff Scott - Ole Miss

    Marcus Coker - Stony Brook

    Giovani Bernard - North Carolina

    Stefphon Jefferson - Nevada

    Branden Oliver - Buffalo




    Wide Receiver:

    Ace Sanders - South Carolina

    Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt

    Kevin Norwood - Alabama

    Kenny Bell - Alabama

    DeAndre Hopkins - Clemson

    Josh Boyce - TCU

    Tevin Reese - Baylor

    Jared Abbrederis - Wisconsin

    Cody Hoffman - BYU

    Bernard Reedy - Toledo

    Devin Street - Pittsburgh






    Tight End:

    Jordan Reed - Florida

    Dion Sims - Michigan St.

    Jacob Pederson - Wisconsin

    C.J. Fiedorowicz - Iowa

    Justin Jones - East Carolina






    Offensive Tackle:

    Morgan Moses - Virginia

    Justin Pugh - Syracuse

    Andrew Rodriguez - Nebraska

    Zach Martin - Notre Dame




    Offensive Guard:

    Brandon Linder - Miami

    Spencer Long - Nebraska

    Mason Walters - Texas

    Anthony Steen - Alabama

    Cyril Richardson - Baylor

    Alvin Bailey - Arkansas

    Zach Fulton - Tennessee




    Center:

    Travis Frederick - Wisconsin






    DE/OLB:

    Chidera Uzo-Diribe - Colorado

    Kareem Martin - North Carolina

    J.R. Collins - Virginia Tech

    Ryne Giddins - South Florida

    Roosevelt Nix - Kent St.

    Ed Stinson - Alabama





    DT/DE:

    Cassius Marsh - UCLA

    Sharrif Floyd - Florida

    Derrick Hopkins - Virginia Tech

    Nakita Whitlock - Wake Forest

    Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh

    Johnathan Hankins - Ohio St.

    Louis Nix - Notre Dame






    Outside Linebacker:

    Kyle Van Noy - BYU

    Kevin Pierre-Louis - Boston College

    Jordan Hicks - Texas

    DeDe Lattimore - South Florida





    Inside Linebacker:

    Chris Borland - Wisconsin

    Preston Brown - Louisville

    Max Bullough - Michigan St.

    James Morris - Iowa

    Andrew Jackson - Western Kentucky





    Cornerback:

    Nickell Robey - USC

    Andre Hal - Vanderbilt

    Kyle Fuller - Virginia Tech

    Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St.

    Logan Ryan - Rutgers

    Ricardo Allen - Purdue

    Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St.






    Safety:

    Nickoe Whitley - Mississippi St.

    Matt Elam - Florida

    Lamarcus Joyner - Florida St.

    Ahmad Dixon - Baylor

    Hakeem Smith - Louisville

    C.J. Barnett - Ohio St.

    Isaiah Lewis - Michigan St.
     
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  2. dolfan_101

    dolfan_101 A True Fan

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    I would have totally missed this thread had I not been so bored and scrolled to the near bottom, it would he cool if we could move all the guru threads to the guru sub forum?
     
  3. WitheringPlant

    WitheringPlant Seasoned Veteran

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    Slimm, would love to hear your thoughts on Robey. The easy comparison seems to be Mathieu without the baggage. Is that fair?
     
  4. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    I think Robey brings some of the same value that Mathieu brings in terms of being a smaller nickel/ slot corner that also adds value as a punt returner.... although not quite the punt return ability that Mathieu has.

    However, Robey is much better in coverage to me. Reminds me a little bit of Tim Jennings when he came out of Georgia.
     
  5. ChambersWI

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    Slimm what do you think of Jake Ryan from Michigan? Kid has some weaknesses in his game, but all he does is make plays
     
  6. FearTheBeard

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    Slimm, I need your take on Tavon Austin from West Virginia. Watching him tear up my Longhorns, it looked like he was always going a different speed and puts up huge #'s. I'm seeing he's a mid round guy, what are your thoughts?
     
  7. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Probably the best combination of slot receiver/return ability in the Senior class of receivers. I think you have to look at small, fast players like Tavon Austin and assess their limitations first... after you've come to that understanding, assess their skills and talent. Figure out if a player like this can fit and be a weapon in your particular style of offense. He's a luxury pick for the most part, and will produce if he goes to the right place.

    I think the ideal role for players like this if you can make it happen is similar to what Jermaine Lewis was for the Ravens in the mid 90's.. he was a pro bowler for a couple of seasons as a slot receiver/return specialist at about 5'7", 180 pounds. Lewis came off the board in the 5th round, although Austin likely comes off earlier than that.... 3rd/4th round area probably.

    Az-Zahir Hakim was a similar type player for the Rams and Kurt Warner back when they had the best offense in the league.

    In other words, this is not the type of player you're going to make your first option on offense in the NFL..... he's limited to the slot as a receiver. However, if you're an offense looking for more of a dynamic, 3rd or 4th option on offense, and looking to upgrade your return units on special teams.... the potential is there to strike oil with a talent like Tavon Austin. He typically plays at a different speed against everybody, not just Texas.
     
  8. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    I can't speak on him because I haven't spent any time on defensive players for the Wolverines this year... literally none. I typically spend my time on Michigan towards a few kids on the offensive side.
     
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    Slimm would you consider Swope a underrated guy? Do you see him as a definite target maybe with one of our 2nd rounders or will he not even make it THAT far?

    Personally I see Jordy Nelson in him and well Philbin having Nelson and both our OC and QB are very familiar with him makes me think they are all over him. I know we need a boundary guy do you see us trying to get him as well because you cannot have too many receivers in this league.
     
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    Tevin Reese is the fastest guy I've ever seen!!! Unreal speed
     
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    Justin Jones is 6'8 257 pounds... If his 40 time is good he will go early just because his size!

    By the way he is just about the same size as Lebron of course Lebron has more muscle though but thats still ridiculous.
     
  12. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    It would be pretty difficult for me to find Swope as an underrated receiver. It has nothing to do with his talent, but everybody knows about him. He's mentioned a lot around here specifically.

    I don't think Swope is an overrated player, but I think it's possible that he gets a little overrated here.

    I certainly wouldn't be suprised to see him end up in a Dolphin uniform simply because of his familiarity with Sherman's offense and Tannehill inparticular. However, Swope has probably struggled the most out of the aTm receivers in adjusting to Coach Sumlin's offense. The two freshman, Mike Evans and Thomas Johnson, are ahead of where Swope is in terms of Sumlin's offense.

    Sumlin's offense is based more off the 4-verticals concept that's typical of spread offenses with it's roots in the Run-and-Shoot as opposed to Sherman's west coast principles.

    I don't necessarily see Jordy Nelson qualities within Swope because he's not quite as big, fast, or athletic as Nelson was. The thing that I always liked about Swope was his consistency in Sherman's offense, although he's not quite as comfortable in Sumlin's. He had good chemistry with Tannehill in Sherman's offense particularly when it came to broken plays. He would always work back towards Tannehill, or separate vertically to create big plays.
     
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    Nice to see Jordan Reed on that list, I'm at bit biased being a gators fan but this guy could solve a big need for us and with the plethora of 2nd's and 3rd's we have t his year, we could be in the ideal spot to pick him up.

    His stock may rise though if the Gators win it all. Florida has some really good talent coming out this year, some nice fits for the fins too.
     
  14. CO-Gator

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    I love Jordan Reed. Solid athlete, but his game definitely needs a little polishing, particularly blocking. I don't see much reason for him to leave early which is fine by me.
     
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    Slimm I was reading ESPN's early look at the 2013 draft and they mention a couple of sleepers. One is Anthony Barr from UCLA who's 6'4" 235 lbs and has 12 sacks...and the other is a LT from Central Michigan by the name of Eric Fisher who is 6'7" 305 lbs and a senior. I did some research and it seems he's climbing up boards pretty quickly, some have him as a late first round-early second round prospect...it's the first I've heard of him. Have you seen this kid play?

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-2013-nfl-draft/nfl-hot-read-10-things-know-2013-draft
     
  16. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Absolutely I've seen a lot of both. I think Eric Fisher is the best Senior tackle in the class, which you'll find in the thread where I made my November rankings for Seniors. He reminds me a little bit of Joe Staley when he came out of Central Michigan, except better. I believe the Chippewas have two of the more underrated Senior prospects in this entire class. One being Fisher, the other being safety Jahleel Addae, who I'm convinced is the most athletic safety I've seen. Jake Olson at right tackle is a good player too.

    Barr was playing runningback his first two years at UCLA and just switched to the defensive side of the ball this year. He's produced from the linebacker position, but it came after I made this thread, which is based off what I've seen of their sophomore tape. Obviously Barr playing linebacker hadn't happened yet.

    Lastly, I do agree with Mel regarding Cordarrelle Patterson. He's going to be the #1 WR on my board if he enters the draft. It's a possibility he's not going to have the grades to return to Tennessee. Entering the draft will be the only option that makes sense. He can't go back to JUCO, it's only for freshman/sophomores.
     
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    I would not call Elam as underrated. There is more than one service that rates him as the 1-2 safety if he decides to leave UF.
     
  18. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Obviously. Of course he's not underrated anymore, but he was prior to the season. I've talked about how underrated I felt Elam was prior to the season going all the way back to July, and believed he was ready to put it on display as a Junior and become one of the elite defenders in the SEC....

    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?318883-Slimm-s-2013-prospects-(underclassman)/page4



    Now that he's gone out and proven that by having dominant performances inside the SEC on his way to leading Florida to a top 5 defense, they're beginning to see how good he really is. He was a great player last year as a sophomore despite Florida's defense not being nearly as good. His dedication to film study was going to allow him to go from being an extremely solid, assignment sound player, to being an elite player.

    All the "services" you're reading were most likely hyping up liabilities such as T.J. McDonald as premier players circa the time period I was attempting to direct attention towards where the real talent lies.

    Elam isn't underrated anymore, and they're a little late in my estimation.
     
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    I saw a little bit of highlight tape from one of Eric Fisher's games against Michigan State. Pretty good feet, good punch, plays with good bend...looks athletic enough to play in the ZBS. If the juniors come out (Luke Joeckel, Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan) where would you put Fisher among them?
     
  20. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Behind Joeckel as the #2 tackle in the draft... right there in the neighborhood with Jake Matthews. I suspect Matthews can play left tackle. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed another year just to switch over the left side to prove it if Joeckel moves on.

    As an aside, I think Jeff Nady for Nevada is a really underrated player that I may be higher on than most.
     
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    Sorry, I did not notice when this thread was originally posted
     

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