Stephen Ross is the real problem

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  1. Snoop

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    We're still suffering from his many blunders... is there another owner in the league who's made as many mistakes?

    Kept Sparano too long...

    Flew across the country to woo a guy for his team's head coach position that wasn't even vacant, basically cutting Sparano's legs out from under him and dooming that season before it even started. Foolishly thought his act wouldn't be national news....

    Hired a terrible coach in Philbin, kept him too long....

    Kept Ireland way too long, let him keep his job after a fourth consecutive losing season, setting up the historically bad 2013 offseason where The Ginger wasted 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and $40+ million in cap space.....

    Didn't even have the guts to fire Ireland completely, instead offering him a demotion that actually came with a raise lol... thankfully he said no and resigned.....

    Followed that up by running a complete debacle of a GM search where he settled on the 5th option, an Asst GM that was on the verge of being fired in Tampa Bay but got the job here because he was the only candidate content with having no authority over Philbin...he only lasted 2 years.

    Somehow let Mike ****ing Tannenbaum convince him to let him run a team again.

    Obviously he's done some good but this resume is awful, it takes years to recover from all these terrible decisions. Time to point the finger at the man who's really to blame.
     
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    In my opinion we have bigger fish to fry than Ross. He puts his money where his mouth is and really stays out of the football decision making process. I think we have a good owner.

    Problem is Personnel under him which he is responsible for it to a certain extent but second half of last year many people are getting ready to erect a statue of him at the stadium. I blame Tenenbaum and gase specifically for player acquisition and lack of preparation and Gameday adjustments.

    I think the owner wants to win will do almost anything to get that and pretty much stays out of the way if that's positive or negative I don't know. Gase hasn't developed as I had hoped and I'm somewhat stymied on some of his decisions and lack of preparation be it coaching staff or players. Curious to see what happens the rest of the year.
     
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    Well I certainly agree with you. The decisions he made with coaches prior to Gase made no sense and they wasted entire seasons. The 2011 and 2015 seasons were DOA before a single down was played because Ross stupidly retained coaches who were obviously overmatched (and in Sparano's case, the team had quit on him at the end of 2010). And of course, in the case of Philbin, he's responsible for hiring him in the first place. But it doesn't make much sense to bring this up now since the issues on the current team have nothing to do with Ross.

    Gase is a decent hire. He's not the Olympian god that he was portrayed as last year, but he's also not a clueless idiot as he's being portrayed this season. This year is just a lost cause. It has been since Tannehill went down. The team should have resigned themselves to their fate and gone with Moore, then improved the team as much as possible in order to make a run in 2018. But because tickets need to be sold, and fans need to be deluded into believing that things will be fine even when your starting QB is gone for the year, they waste money on Cutler who was going to get them to 8-8 at best.

    There's nothing Ross can do right now that will salvage this season or dramatically improve next year's prospects. Maybe axing Tannenbaum, but that doesn't need to happen right now.
     
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    Watch some footage from last year, Tannehill injury is the problem.
     
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  5. Snoop

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    To a certain extent? Wrong, he is 100% responsible. The problem has always been personnel, since the day he took over the team. Even if by some miracle Tannenbaum was fired, does anyone really have any faith in Ross to find the right candidate to replace him?
     
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    The Miami Dolphins have a bipolar fan base, and it’s becoming a real problem.
     
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    I haven't been happy with many of Ross' decisions. Your points on his mistakes in hiring are valid, but I'm going to give Ross a pass because it takes some time to master the learning curve on the personnel side of NFL ownership. As far as the fan experience, Ross gets an A+ in my opinion. You can tell he cares about winning and he cares about the fan experience.

    As far as Gase goes, I believe a lot of fans have judged him too harshly and too early. The man was a god when the team ran off a string of wins to go 10-6 last year. I don't think he all of a sudden forgot how to coach. The team has had a number of significant injuries and challenges to overcome early in the season. I believe Gase will right the ship.

    However, I do have a problem with T-Baum & Grier. There were obvious holes on this team heading into the season, and somehow these guys managed to use up all of the cap space without addressing those problems. For example, even if Ted Larsen panned out, was he a noticeable upgrade over Tunsil in that spot? Given that our O-Line was the strength of last year's team, wouldn't it have been better to keep Albert for another year and find an upgrade for Bushrod? Quddus, one of our primary playmakers last year, goes down with a retirement level injury and we count on replacing him with an oft-injured, lower performing Nate Allen. These kinds of moves must be scrutinized and called out.
     
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    Ross is a good owner. Stays out of football decisions for the most part and opens up his checkbook.

    What more do you want.
     
  9. BenchFiedler

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    They always want to blame someone.. How about blaming the water boy too?
     
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    For god sake...Ross is not the problem
     
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    Ross....really?
     
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    He wants the owner of the team to have innate knowledge of who is going to draft well and add veteran talent to the team. If he doesn't he is an effing failure. Seems like a legit stance to take.
     
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    We can do worst.
    He doesn't have eyes for football hiring, but he keep trying. Eventually, he will hit a home run.
     
  14. Adam Strange

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    Deciding who to hire as the coach is not "staying out of football decisions." It's one of the most vital football decisions that can be made. That's one reason Wayne was such a crap owner. He bungled that decision almost every time he was forced to make it.

    Ross extended Sparano after 2010, and sure enough, the 2011 season was a disaster after the team imploded. Then he hires Philbin, and doubles down on his mistake by bringing him back after 2014. Once again, another season is wasted because Ross made the wrong decision going into 2015.

    Gase may be a flash in the pan or he may be the right man for the job. Either way, Ross made the decision and he's responsible for the outcome. No doubt he'll be praised if Gase excels. But he should also be held accountable if Gase ends up being yet another in a long line of bad decisions regarding the head coach of the franchise.
     
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    Ross is a good owner, now. He was kind of a fool early on, for reasons stated, but he has turned it around- all that he simply wants is to rebuild the Dolphins culture and bring us a winning team. He just had no idea what he was doing at first. Now, we have finally settled on a coach with a clue, and albiet a kind of bad GM, things are getting better overall. Like someone else said- he opens his pockets and stays out of football decisions.
     
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    I will agree that Ross's judgement of picking who runs his team is a problem but they are supposed to be football people so they should know what they are doing. He's certainty not a Jerry Jones type.
     
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    I'll take the present iteration of Ross (after getting past all the bumps in the road on his rocky learning curve) 100x out of 100 over The Garbageman who really only cared about asses in the seats more so than improving the product or who was coaching the product so long as the team won enough to keep the wolves from howling at the door.

    Aside from that, Ross is not a slimebag like Wayne, dismantling 2 championship Marlin teams. It would have only been a matter of time til his douchebaggery filtered over to the Fins.

    Ross is far from perfect and pretty gullible in handing the reins to a failed GM who no one in the league wanted.. and who actually would have taken a demotion to capologist like Woody wanted if incoming GM candidates didn't have an issue with him still being in the building. Ross is a work in progress but as far as being hands-off most of the time and spending what it takes, he's been nothing but outstanding. He's also putting the team's best face forward in his social and community initiatives and in self-financing the refurbishment of Hard Rock.

    Could he be a better owner? Yes, but thankfully he's nothing approaching the likes of Jerry Jones who makes unilateral GM decisions, Jerry Richardson who counts pennies, Woody Johnson and his cluelessness, or poor decision-making carpetbaggers in it strictly for the money like Spanos and Kroenke.

    All in all, he's a better than average owner in my book!
     
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    Yea the owner who is trying his best to hire the right people is the problem...
     
  19. CoronaDoug

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    There are thousands of Ex-Charger fans that would gladly send you Dean Spanos for Mr Ross. Try living with that Sh!t show of an owner.
     
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    The boss hires the people beneath him...Ross is the boss...so the people below him are his fault.
     
  21. Snoop

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    Lmao oh well as long as he is trying!
     
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    Wow, you people are incredible lol. Jump off the cliff already
     
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    He’s the least of our worries right now
     
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    CoronaDoug, we need to get you some therapy for all those years as a Chargers fan. And when you are done, all of us long time Dolphins fans will file past you into the doctors office for our turn....
     
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    When Ross brings in buffoons like Tannenbaum, then he's a major part of the problem.
     
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    Ross is a good owner and far from the problem.
     
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    Extending and retaining Sparano, hiring Philbin, and then extending and retaining Philbin were far worse moves than bringing in Tannenbaum.
     
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    I would bury Ross in a hail of insults if I could, but in truth I can't. Here's why, how many Super Bowls did the fins win when "Garbageman" was the owner, hold on, let me count, naught times naught, carry the naught, yup, None. So in reality this team did not go from the White House to the Outhouse with Ross. I remember one of the members here had an avatar of the Evil one saying "bring me the one called Saban", Ifffff I remember that didn't work out so well. Before that there was" Danny and Jimmy, Jimmy and Danny, Danny and Jimmy, Jimmy and Jimmy, etc", The Winestat era, and don't forget "Mr Fail Forward faster than you fail backward, unless you are failing sideways" Cam Camaron Frito. So this goes wayyyyy, back, and it's not a matter of being a disloyal fan, it is a matter of logic. For years this team did not progress, and for years every change brings the same stagnation, so no progress, how could any fan have hope. Nope it ain't all Ross.

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    Why do people always try to find someone to blame?
     
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    Hey Dog. Well in this case there has to be someone, I mean it's not the fans fault, and I don't remember the great meteor of death hitting the training facility and the whole team being vaporized, ummm lets see, someone is responsible, or rather someone should be responsible, and held accountable. Thats actually how real life works, I think, but I don't know, maybe I took the blue pill. But I will tell you this, if I ran my business like the fins, well the last scene from Frankenstein is nothing compared to the wrath of my clients, it would be ugly :blackeye

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    He is an owner that doesn't know the game. He hires people to run the organization for him. Problem is he messes up those hires.
     
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    Ross won me over when he paid for the stadium out of his own pocket. I have no problem with how he runs the business side of things. He's not afraid to invest resources and is willing to do anything to make the franchise better. However, he chose the worst GM he could have possibly picked. He needs to stay out of football.
     
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    Grier and Tannenbaum... but he's not to blame? Wow, our fans truly are complacent. He listens to the wrong folks, and it will cost us again this season. Just because there are a ton of bad NFL owners doesn't make Ross any better.

    We could only hope for an ownership group like the Packers, Pats, or Seahawks. Nope, Ross is terrible.
     
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    Well if we expected Ross to to be the gm, or coach or play qb, rb, wr, te, ol, dl, lb, db, or k then yeah he's the problem. He'd probably do ok as a punter. There you go have Ross play punter we wouldn't suck anymore.
     
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    Because if you don't know what the problem is, you can't fix it.
     
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    About time some of you move forward from Sparano and Ireland.
     
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    When we were pulling off all those wins last season with this same coach. Where were the Stephen Ross is the problem threads?
     
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    The problem that I see is an owner who wants to win so bad, he allows for others to take advantage of him. Ireland set this team and organization back in 2013, with his worst ever draft and wild f/a spending spree. Soprano was in way over his head and Philbin had no business being a head coach. He was spot on with Harbaugh, but went about it in a very disrespectful way. The jury is still out on Gase, although I’m beginning to question his game day and preparation skills. But the biggest downfall of Mr. Ross is Tannenbaum. A notorious big spender and talent evaluator “FRAUD”!!!! He’s a #&@$&@& lawyer masquerading as a football guru, for Christ Sakes!!! He let’s too many people bleed his ear and falls for the I can make you a winner sack of chit these guys sell him on.
     
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    Yeah its Ross fault...

    Damn that man for missed blocks....
    Damn that man for missed tackles....
    Damn that man for drop passes....
    Damn that man for missed assignments...
    Damn that man for lousy punts.....
    Damn that man for penalties......
    Damn that man for wearing glasses....
    Damn that man for being named Ross...


    JUST DAMN HIM.....

    C'mon give me a break... These threads...smh
     
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