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TheFloridaDude said:
I haven't even mentioned Taylor Mayes and wouldn't think Miami would consider drafting a no tackling *****.

The best player availible at 12....would be Dez Bryant if he's there, and thats who I think we should take. You guys also have to consider putting a true #1 on the field with Henne to help his development...

Our defense was much better with Crowder on the field and he has improved every year. Joey is gone but I think JT will come back for one year.

I think if we could draft Dez in the first round and land Brandon Spikes in the second that could be huge....he dosen't have great speed but he is a stud ILB and would fit our system very well.

Like I said I think LB is very deep this year and Earl Thomas is very highly thought of and would be a solid pick at 12...If berry were there he would be the guy...but Thomas is a stud too.

Secondary has to be first....if we go defense
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Do you honestly think Dez Bryant would slip back to us?
 
i think we could get a pretty good safety prospect with pick #74 maybe even #108...it's definitely deeper than 3-4 ilb to me...

there's only 2 ilbs that i feel fit our 3-4 and are worthy of top 50 picks and that's mcclain and brandon spikes...and weatherspoon even though i don't see his best fit in our defense won't make it to #43...
 
Earl Thomas would be on the list of people who are right there for BPA. He made more big plays in pass D than any player in college football last season. He's the man.

I'd prefer we take Spiller, but Thomas would be more than a solid pick.
 
TheFloridaDude said:
Why does so many on here insist on drafting a LB in the first round? Their argument has been our defense was our weak point last year and we need to rebuild. Yes JT is old and Porter is gone....BUT wasn't our biggest issue on defense our secondary? Maybe FS?

....look at the stats.
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Your boy Clamming Chowder sucks and needs to be replaced by a real ILB that can actually tackle and cover a TE so our secondary can worry about their own issues.

Sometimes you gotta look at the facts.
 
No body here knows what our FO is doing to prep for the draft or even FA.
If we sign Rolle, LB is our biggest need, if we sign Dansby, what do we draft at 12?

Have you seen our linebackers attempt to cover slot recievers/TE's last season? i almost felt bad for them. Clearly LB is a need

Who's to say Clemons wont be a solid starter at safety? he ran the best 40 as a safety and was a solid rated prospect in the draft.

Interesting question here...what if McClain, bryant, Graham are gone at 12 and haden was available, what are the chances we would draft him and convert Smith back to Safety?
 
TheFloridaDude said:
We were damn good against the run
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No, we weren't. We were 14th in YPC against and 18th in yards. We gave up the 10th most rushing TDs. We were hardly a good run defense. Much of this has to do with injuries, but Crowder and Ayodele are clearly not the future at ILB. By no means were we as laughably bad against the run as we were against the pass, in part because we tended to prevent huge runs (Thanks Yeremiah. :up:), but we have no real future at ILB. Our secondary has hope. Our front seven, outside of the DEs, has no real talent. Hence why we need to draft McClain.

Our defense as a whole was just God awful. It's reasonable to assume that with the maturation of Sean and Vontae, we should at least be able to reach the average level against the pass. With the losers we have in our linebacking corps, we can't make that assumption for our run defense. Fergie may or may not return and Soliai was hardly impressive.
 
Shocked for what reason? We have two rookie CB's, and two linebackers at safety, and our best CB was out for the year. Getting a true FS is obviously a need, just not as big as LB is. Our OLB's were very inconsistent at getting to the QB, very. And our LB's gave up play after play as well.

And we haven't even hit FA yet. If we landed Rolle in FA, then this thread is pointless.
 
You write a novel explaining why drafting an ILB would be dumb becuse free safety is the weak spot then say we should draft Dez Bryant? :lol::crazy::err:
 
If your front seven cant get a good pass rush then you really put a ton of presure on your secondary the only postion i think we really need to improve in the secondary at this point would be FS because as we all know Gibril Wilson isnt a good FS he is a good SS but not FS so therefore i think the Front 7 of our team is a bigger need the only way i would want to go Saftey in the first round is if Brandon Graham, Weatherspoon, McClain, Bryant, but if Berry is there i would take him over anyone but unless all those guys are gone i would like to trade down and pick Earl Thomas but i know for a fact that not all those guys will go in the top 11 picks. i do agree that FS is a need but i dont think it is a bigger need the ILB but i do agree we should draft dez bryant
 
FS is a huge need but our LB corps needs a complete overhaul and it should have been done last year. I was very pissed when we went into the season with Crowder and Ayodele in the middle. I was sure when round 2 hit we were going to get a decent LB prospect there. So the Pat White pick shocked me. LB's should have been addressed last year and it's costing us. A 3-4 lives and dies by it's LB's.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
...and the statistics support this....the completion percentage when Ayodele and Crowder were thrown at are both astronomical and unacceptable....they were both exposed all season....
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How familiar are you with that statistic? Akin Ayodele's completion was among the bottom 5 (out of 38) ILBs in the league taking 50% of snaps or more, but Channing Crowder's was right in the middle of the pack, ranked 17 of 38.

Linebackers let up a high percentage of completions when they're thrown at. It's a fact of life. They also generally let up a high yards per completion. Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele were higher than most, but I can also think of several plays where big chunks of yardage were added to their stats because the Miami safeties (specifically Wilson) were just that poor.

The only thing Crowder has improved at every year is keeping those peanut brain south Florida journalists wondering if he's really as stupid as he acts.......he's terrible...
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The journalists know he's very intelligent. It's some holdover fans who haven't gotten beyond the speaking English in England joke...and who ignorantly support their claims by implying it's easy to graduate UF with a 3.5 GPA.

The entire linebacking unit has to be rebuilt....you will not a find a more pitiful, less talented, older, more overpaid, sucky unit than the one Miami runs out on the field every Sunday....

The linebackers have to be addressed first and foremost....early and often..

Safety and defensive line are the two deepest positions in this draft....

This draft isn't deep in quality inside linebackers....especially that fit a 3-4 defense......if you want a good one you better get him in the first 50 picks...
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I can agree that the linebacking unit needs to be re-fitted. I just don't understand why Channing Crowder is at the center of your ire on that one. He's obviously not elite. I think people just don't want to admit that as a pairing, Joey Porter and Jason Taylor were really a very poor fit for this defense, and that Akin Ayodele should be nothing more than a role player in the NFL. If you were to do away with Porter, have Taylor and Wake rotate at the ROLB spot, move Merling out to SOLB, get another genuinely good quality SOLB candidate, pair Crowder up with a different partner at ILB (one that's ready to start), and finally (but just as importantly) grab a pass coverage specialist that can come onto the field when needed...then I think you've accomplished something significant and lasting.

But I do agree with the original poster that secondary was THE biggest issue on the defense. Gibril Wilson was not getting it, Will Allen got hurt, and the Vontae/Smith pairing let up a lot of big plays that changed the face of games. They should NOT have been expected to start as rookies. That was a mistake by the brain trust. They weren't allowed to just come onto the field during favorable situations/matchups, they were forced to stay on the field even when the situations/matchups didn't favor them.

A lot of the upside to this defense will have to come from scheme, possibly a new free safety, Will Allen coming back strong, and Vontae and Sean both growing up. That's not the popular answer. That's not what people want to hear. They all want to get their hands dirty and dig in, feel like we're doing something to get better. "Waiting" is just a terribly unpopular answer. And so I feel like even when people admit that "waiting" might be the best idea for the secondary, they displace the angst over the defense onto the linebackers unit and specifically Channing Crowder.
 
ckparrothead said:
How familiar are you with that statistic? Akin Ayodele's completion was among the bottom 5 (out of 38) ILBs in the league taking 50% of snaps or more, but Channing Crowder's was right in the middle of the pack, ranked 17 of 38.

Linebackers let up a high percentage of completions when they're thrown at. It's a fact of life. They also generally let up a high yards per completion. Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele were higher than most, but I can also think of several plays where big chunks of yardage were added to their stats because the Miami safeties (specifically Wilson) were just that poor.



The journalists know he's very intelligent. It's some holdover fans who haven't gotten beyond the speaking English in England joke...and who ignorantly support their claims by implying it's easy to graduate UF with a 3.5 GPA.



I can agree that the linebacking unit needs to be re-fitted. I just don't understand why Channing Crowder is at the center of your ire on that one. He's obviously not elite. I think people just don't want to admit that as a pairing, Joey Porter and Jason Taylor were really a very poor fit for this defense, and that Akin Ayodele should be nothing more than a role player in the NFL. If you were to do away with Porter, have Taylor and Wake rotate at the ROLB spot, move Merling out to SOLB, get another genuinely good quality SOLB candidate, pair Crowder up with a different partner at ILB (one that's ready to start), and finally (but just as importantly) grab a pass coverage specialist that can come onto the field when needed...then I think you've accomplished something significant and lasting.

But I do agree with the original poster that secondary was THE biggest issue on the defense. Gibril Wilson was not getting it, Will Allen got hurt, and the Vontae/Smith pairing let up a lot of big plays that changed the face of games. They should NOT have been expected to start as rookies. That was a mistake by the brain trust. They weren't allowed to just come onto the field during favorable situations/matchups, they were forced to stay on the field even when the situations/matchups didn't favor them.

A lot of the upside to this defense will have to come from scheme, possibly a new free safety, Will Allen coming back strong, and Vontae and Sean both growing up. That's not the popular answer. That's not what people want to hear. They all want to get their hands dirty and dig in, feel like we're doing something to get better. "Waiting" is just a terribly unpopular answer. And so I feel like even when people admit that "waiting" might be the best idea for the secondary, they displace the angst over the defense onto the linebackers unit and specifically Channing Crowder.
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I'm familiar with watching both Ayodele and Crowder play.....I'm not some sheep poster around here that just likes to pile on with whichever way the wind is currently blowing.....in fact..you'll just about find me going against the grain on 75% of the topics around here...

I realized how uninspiring (it's your fault I like that word now too) Crowder was 3 years ago....we will forever disagree on this scrub CK..

I think he's miscast inside in a 3-4...he doesn't have the insticts to function at a high enough level there IMO....I think he's best suited outside in a 4-3 where SOME of his shortcomings can be washed out by SOME of the things he does well...

Crowder is at the center of my ire because he's the best ILB Miami has and that's a far cry from being good enough....perhaps that isn't his fault? Maybe the fans should direct their attention towards the "czars" that overpaid for the bum in the first place?

I never liked the Porter signing from day 1.....and never subscribed to the idea that bringing Twinkletoes back was such a great idea...

We're losers with him....get rid of him and win 11 games...bring him back and pick 12th in the draft again....bad Karma seems to follow this guy....nevermind that he's a situational player at this point...trust me I'm aware of the other factors, but you get my point..

Of course teaming Porter and Taylor AGAIN was a bad idea...I don't know why we keep trying it....move on already...sheez..

FWIW...Wilson grading out as the 15th best safety and whatnot means nothing to me....he's terrible...I don't need some websites statistics to point me in the right direction here....I watch the guy play...I watch him be in position to make plays and he just cant do it.....I never liked this signing from day 1......especially for the amount of money they signed him to.....and I'm not talking out of my *** here, hoops can verify all of this...

I do agree that the backbone of the majority of big plays Miami gave up in the passing game is attributed to the pups at cornerback....but that's just part of it when you're forced to start the two youngsters out there...

I never liked the Pasqualadotti hire....honestly...I'm not a fan of "Parcells network" of old timers that he likes to drag around with him period....surely there was a reason he was fired after Sparano carefully looked himself in the mirror as well?

I'm not a member of the Merling at OLB camp....I think it's going to be another failed experiment if they try, and they're going to have to find one anyway....so go ahead and do it now and save yourself the headache...

Instead of trying to squeeze another year out of Twinkletoes rotating in and out with Wake on the weakside...I'd rather see them draft a legitimate stud to that instead.....

Finding an ILB to pair with Crowder if they're so hellbent on keeping this clown around isn't a want....that's a need....finding another to replace Crowder is a tremendous want on my part....and has been for quite some time...

Getting their hands on a free safety that actually has the skillset to play it is another need....not a want...but I believe I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft....yes...I said I think even I can get one past the 12th pick in the draft...surely the "czars" are confident they can too...

Again....the path obviously becomes much clearer after free agency....which is an area I think most of the posters on this site could do a better job in...
 
Yes as I stated in my first post, I really think we need to actively go after Dez Bryant in the draft because I believe he is a once in a couple of years type of WR. I would even be stoked if we traded up a few to get in front of Denver . If he falls to us, we should take him, he's a true #1 and would help Henne a great deal.

If he dosen't fall to 12 which I think there is a very high chance he will, if Spiller were somehow on the board at that point we couldn't pass on talent like that.

My argument was that IF we decide to draft defense first which we probably will, I really think we should address our secondary before anything else. I dunno why Earl Thomas is getting no love on here but he would be a solid 12, and is a ballhawk...which we desperately need.

Sorry bud but 40 times at the combine don't really mean **** when it comes to Chris Clemons....he isn't football fast...he dosen't read plays well and cannot cover 1 on 1...lol anyone who defends clemons as being a starter in waiting is off their rocker. You may be OK with fielding mediocre talent every year...I am not.

SAY we go defense first....this would re-shape our defense greatly...

take earl thomas at 12
brandon spikes in the second

Thomas is the second best safety in the country behind berry, and brandon spikes is a premiere ILB and would be a high first if he had better speed, but he's an ILB he dosen't need incredible speed...I watched him hold down Florida's #1 defense for a couple years and I would love to see him bring that down to Miami.

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It all depends on what could happen. I was very suprised last year when B Marshall was on the market along with Anquan and we didnt offer a trade....

I would love to bring in Dansby this year, and if we traded for Marshall or Boldin I would be all for passing on Bryant and going S and ILB the first couple rounds......but what we do in the draft all depends on if we do ANYTHING in free agency...there is a good chance we will so we probably won't know to much about our definite direction until closer to the draft

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Porter is gone. I am a huge supporter and fan of cameron wake and I hope he's on the field full time next season. He just needs to improve on his pass coverage.

Our run defense was much higher ranked before the injuries depleted our LB core. We were in the top 7 for a nice stretch before the injuries.

I think our pass defense was much worse then our run defense correct? Our guys can't cover. Not our safeties. Bell is a LB at SS and we all know about Gibril

So don't try to sell me that our run defense was worse than our pass defense....tells me we need better cover guys. how many picks did we have again? single digits bud...thats unacceptable

Our secondary is our weakest link so we must address it first esspecially if a stud like Thomas is on the board.

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Right? lol
 
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