Dr.Rad
The Enforcer
The farthest Johnson would fall is to Tennessee at #6... By the way, Zgonina for a 3rd?? Hmmm, interesting
Yes! :yeahthat:Ozzy said:Show me a link that says Miami won't be getting a first round pick for Surtain! I mean one that has a quote from his agent, Saban, or a team that says so! Otherwise this is moot.........
HAHAHA! Release Surtain? :roflmao: Won't happen my friend. Trade is the only way to aquire Surtain's services. Something will probably get done this week at the combine.thepoolboy said:It's been reported all over the net that we want to rid ourselves of Surtain's contract prior to March 2nd. If this is this case, some teams may wait to see if he is outright released. If we are desperate to trade him then his value is lowered. If we cannot trade him prior to March 2nd, we should go into free agency with his salary still on the books. You don't outright release a top-5 corner.
It can go one of two ways...either a bidding war ensues and we get a higher pick or teams sense our need to trade him and back off.Nublar7 said:HAHAHA! Release Surtain? :roflmao: Won't happen my friend. Trade is the only way to aquire Surtain's services. Something will probably get done this week at the combine.
This is a great argument!!! A 2nd and a 3rd would be ideal for us because in the second round there will be alot of good RB's available, guys like Barber and maybe Fason. The 3rd should be a good spot for a QB, my choice being McPhearson(even if it is a reach). If we get Fason and McPhearson for Surtain and Zgonina Id call that a good day. Add in Derrick Johnson with our first and Id call it a great day!Ohiophinphan said:I would rather have a 2nd and a 3rd than one first. Assuming we can get either.
Ok, but there is no way we just flat out release Surtain. I think Saban will make enough cuts that we are under before we trade him. With that said I still see us striking a deal next week at the combine before the start of FA.thepoolboy said:It can go one of two ways...either a bidding war ensues and we get a higher pick or teams sense our need to trade him and back off.
I've been checking other team's fan sites around the net and many are anticipating the latter. I'm not suggesting anything - it's just that the people on these sites can assess what their teams may do better than I could.
I would cut half our roster before I would even look at Surtain. Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of our players do not have an $8 million + cap figure. I really hope Saban shows some mettle here and gets a fair deal.Nublar7 said:Ok, but there is no way we just flat out release Surtain. I think Saban will make enough cuts that we are under before we trade him. With that said I still see us striking a deal next week at the combine before the start of FA.
thepoolboy said:It's been reported all over the net that we want to rid ourselves of Surtain's contract prior to March 2nd. If this is this case, some teams may wait to see if he is outright released. If we are desperate to trade him then his value is lowered. If we cannot trade him prior to March 2nd, we should go into free agency with his salary still on the books. You don't outright release a top-5 corner.
laxcoach said:This makes me laugh. Half the people here complain that Speilman doesn't know how to negotiate. Then, you see other posts where people panic and want to give away the farm.
I mean, they may not be the same people, but if they are, shame on you. The keys to negotiation are power, patience, and resolve. Panic is not in the list. Neither is desperation.
If I were in Saban/Speilman's shoes, I would make sure that I get under the cap WITHOUT cutting/trading Surtain or Zgonina. That forces the suitors hands. If a standout FA is there, you can always release a guy later.
OneHondo said:Surtain is not an over the hill has been who is past his prime and all washed up.