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Ed Oliver would get buried in the NFL playing NT. He only weighed 281 at his pro day. He's either a 4-3 DT or could play 3-4 DE.
Is Ed Oliver A Fit For The New Scheme?
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Key words IMO = multiple fronts.
That said, the dude doesn't look like a classic 3-4 linemen IMO.
(lacking displacement for NT and length for DE)
I think his best (ideal) potential fit is in a situation (4-3) like John Randale played in.
Then again -- if the dude was always playing light in college -- would anyone consider
leaning him down to like 250 and have him play LB? (in a 3-4 multi front)
Jay Ratliff played nose for Dallas when they were 3-4 at 6'4" 287 ... but it would be a total waste to put him out of position like that. I think he could do it, though.
Best player in the draft and he's versatile ... screw the fit imo.
He could play anywhere along the line in a 4-3 or end in a 3-4 ... with some variations in between. He'd be an absolute no brainer pick.
You'd have to be an idiot to play him at NT. But, odd fronts often use one-gap principles. Donald's production only improved when the Rams moved to more odd fronts under Phillips. As I said, he's gold from 3-5 techs - as long as they're 1-gapping him.
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I always enjoy Voch Lombardi, he's sharp. But he prioritizes mobility and technique for every position--and he understands the techniques which is what makes his videos so enjoyable. So, it's no surprise that he'd like an ultra-mobile big with great explosion like Oliver. But, he undervalues things like strength, and has abandoned the concepts of occupying blockers that is so central to previous incarnations of the 34. I'm not sure the Patriots multiples front discards those concepts as easily as VL does.
The big questions with Oliver have always been:
1. Is he powerful enough? That's why everyone is so concerned about his weight. He lacks elite power on film.
2. Why does his production not quite match up with his supreme athleticism? Hard question to answer, because he has been very productive … just less so than his great athleticism would suggest.
But VL discounts the power, it's just part of his philosophy, so he was always going to be a fan of Oliver. Good informative viewpoint … but the questions for Oliver remain, and unconvinced GM's will definitely make other choices in the top 13. For him, it's just a matter of whose available when he reaches those GM's who are convinced?
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Thank you much. For those non NT believers- boo yah. They move him all over including to zero. He simply has that talent to be disruptive. It's always prototypics with some despite the tape. And you can easily ask him to put on 10 lbs.
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That is ideal, but less and less realistic by the year. With Flores implementing a whole slew of new systems, IMHO, he's not going to adapt anything the next few years … simply rebuild the roster with guys who fit his systems.
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I'm struggling with "fit." If Flores runs a Pat's type D, players will have to "fit" a variety of schemes - not A scheme. That ability to "fit" multiple schemes will allow players to get more snaps. I want players who can, as you say, "fit his systems (plural)".
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Very true. The multiples system rewards jack of all trade types even if they're not elite masters of any one … thus they can get players to run their system that are not quite as highly valued under a single system.
Much like Bill Walsh did when he built a system that prioritized mobility over strength, he got many players who weren't elite strength, but decent strength and also very mobile. Similar concept in that we're building a versatile system that's good but not great … but we're good at everything. It means far fewer players fit our system … but the players who fit it best tend not to be the ones that are only available in round 1 or 2 of the draft.
Ed iver instantly becomes Trey Flowers for us if hes there at 13. He can play 2i, 2o, 3, 5i, 5o probably the 7 as well.
Hes a perfect fit, with the multiple defense. His playing weight was closer to 275 or maybe 280. He is exceptional, and would immediately change this defense, over long haul ofcourse as it takes time to develop to speed of game, being a pro vs amateur, and read react which he shows already.
He is #1 in this draft to me personally over any other player available. Personally I'd trade up for him, even though only QBs should be traded up for, he has that ability all over the line to make the impact we desperately need.
Hes a perfect fit, with the multiple defense. His playing weight was closer to 275 or maybe 280. He is exceptional, and would immediately change this defense, over long haul ofcourse as it takes time to develop to speed of game, being a pro vs amateur, and read react which he shows already.
He is #1 in this draft to me personally over any other player available. Personally I'd trade up for him, even though only QBs should be traded up for, he has that ability all over the line to make the impact we desperately need.
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Tua time!
I don’t think I can name anyone on college tape that I’ve seen with better short area quickness and acceleration at that size.
The stop start is filthy. That 3 cone backs it up. Redirect on a dime.
He’s two tenths faster to top end speed in short areas if you ask me than his long timed speed.
The stop start is filthy. That 3 cone backs it up. Redirect on a dime.
He’s two tenths faster to top end speed in short areas if you ask me than his long timed speed.
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They looked like strong hands.
If he is available at 13, you run that card up to the podium and you adjust the scheme. Passing on blue chip talent is beyond stupid.
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Jay Ratliff did for years. Even made the probowl and All-pro honors.
He played between 290-295 lbs during a majority of his Dallas career at nose tackle.
He shot up to 303 in 2010 but then cut to 285 in 11 citing that he felt he could be more effective/quicker at a lower weight.
That was some years ago but anyway, I highly doubt any team is drafting Oliver with the intentions to make him a NT.