05 phins versus 01 phins?
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2000 Dolphins v.s. 2005 Dolphins
Its not the 2001 but 2000 is close enough. Here is my opinion.
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If the 2000 Dolphins went 11-5 and won the division, I have no doubt that we can do the same this year. Here is why:
Quarterbacks: Jay Fielder v.s A.J. Feely and Gus Ferrotte. Even if our starter only has an average year it will still be better than Jay's 2000 year 57.1 PCT, 2402 YDS, 14 TDs and 14 INTs. Whoever starts in Linehans offense will have a productive year, probably just a little better than the one Jay had in 2000. Advantage: 2005
Runningbacks: Lamar Smith v.s. Ronnie Brown and (Ricky Williams???). The answer to this question goes without saying. Brown is better than Smith (309 att, 1139 yds, 14tds) and Brown and Williams are better than any tandem in the league.
Advantage: 2005
Receivers/Tight Ends: Hunter Goodwin and Jed Weaver combined for 16 Rec, 215 yds and 1 td. McMicheal will have that after week 2. Orande Gadsden, Tony Martin, and Leslie Shepard were the 3 main targets for Jay. Chambers, Booker, Boston, and Thompson are much better receivers and I do not need to say anything more about this.
Advantage: 2005
Offensive Line: I am not sure how good our o-line will be this year, I feel that they will be in the middle of the pack somewhere. (Nowhere near as bad as they were last season.) In 2000 we had a pretty solid unit. Webb, Wade, Donnalley, Dixon, Ruddy. I'm not sure if we will be as good as we were in 2000. This is a toss-up.
Advantage: Push
Defensive Line: Trace Armstrong, Jason Taylor, Kenny Mixon, Tim Bowens, and Daryl Gardener were a pretty strong unit. I could make a case for Taylor, Carter, Bowens, and Chester but Bowens and Chester are big ??????.
Advantage: 2000
Linebackers: Zach Thomas had a pro bowl year, but Derrick Rodgers and Robert Jones were only average. I feel that Zach, and whoever else starts will be very comparable to the 2000 unit.
Advantage: Push
Defensive Backs: Madison and Surtain in their prime's and a younger Marion with a decent SS in Walker. The 2005 d-backs won't hold a candle to the 2000 squad.
Advantage: 2000
Coaching: I don't care what anyone says. I think Nick Saban is nothing short of a god. He does everything right and I can see a "coach of the year" in this guys future. I have a really good feeling about him and I feel that he does everything better than Wanny. Not to mention we have the best assistant coaching staff in the league.
Advantage: 2005
As you can see the 2005 squad wins in 4 categories, loses in 2 and ties in 2.
Let me know if you disagree on any of the positions and also if you do not think that this years team is better than 2000's. It's going to be a fun year.
11-5 and a wild-card spot in the playoffs.
Its not the 2001 but 2000 is close enough. Here is my opinion.
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If the 2000 Dolphins went 11-5 and won the division, I have no doubt that we can do the same this year. Here is why:
Quarterbacks: Jay Fielder v.s A.J. Feely and Gus Ferrotte. Even if our starter only has an average year it will still be better than Jay's 2000 year 57.1 PCT, 2402 YDS, 14 TDs and 14 INTs. Whoever starts in Linehans offense will have a productive year, probably just a little better than the one Jay had in 2000. Advantage: 2005
Runningbacks: Lamar Smith v.s. Ronnie Brown and (Ricky Williams???). The answer to this question goes without saying. Brown is better than Smith (309 att, 1139 yds, 14tds) and Brown and Williams are better than any tandem in the league.
Advantage: 2005
Receivers/Tight Ends: Hunter Goodwin and Jed Weaver combined for 16 Rec, 215 yds and 1 td. McMicheal will have that after week 2. Orande Gadsden, Tony Martin, and Leslie Shepard were the 3 main targets for Jay. Chambers, Booker, Boston, and Thompson are much better receivers and I do not need to say anything more about this.
Advantage: 2005
Offensive Line: I am not sure how good our o-line will be this year, I feel that they will be in the middle of the pack somewhere. (Nowhere near as bad as they were last season.) In 2000 we had a pretty solid unit. Webb, Wade, Donnalley, Dixon, Ruddy. I'm not sure if we will be as good as we were in 2000. This is a toss-up.
Advantage: Push
Defensive Line: Trace Armstrong, Jason Taylor, Kenny Mixon, Tim Bowens, and Daryl Gardener were a pretty strong unit. I could make a case for Taylor, Carter, Bowens, and Chester but Bowens and Chester are big ??????.
Advantage: 2000
Linebackers: Zach Thomas had a pro bowl year, but Derrick Rodgers and Robert Jones were only average. I feel that Zach, and whoever else starts will be very comparable to the 2000 unit.
Advantage: Push
Defensive Backs: Madison and Surtain in their prime's and a younger Marion with a decent SS in Walker. The 2005 d-backs won't hold a candle to the 2000 squad.
Advantage: 2000
Coaching: I don't care what anyone says. I think Nick Saban is nothing short of a god. He does everything right and I can see a "coach of the year" in this guys future. I have a really good feeling about him and I feel that he does everything better than Wanny. Not to mention we have the best assistant coaching staff in the league.
Advantage: 2005
As you can see the 2005 squad wins in 4 categories, loses in 2 and ties in 2.
Let me know if you disagree on any of the positions and also if you do not think that this years team is better than 2000's. It's going to be a fun year.
11-5 and a wild-card spot in the playoffs.
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fitskin said:
Very good post! I believe that the 2000 defense has the obvious advantage but the offense of 2005 should make up for that! I don't know about 11-5 however...
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i really want to agree with that, but i just cant. our division and conference is so much more competitive than it was in 05. i mean, one of the best teams in nfl history is in our division. the other thing is we have a lot of unprovens. though i really like wat saban the GM has done this offseason, we have yet to see wat saban the coach will do. so its a little early to call him "coach of the year" let alone god like. finally, one thing u underestimate about fiedler in 01 is that he won games for us, even if the numbers sucked.
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I don't know about 11-5 either. From the way things have gone this offseason, it appears that we've gotten better on offense, while the defense has been sort of left on the back-burner for now. Granted, we still have a solid defensive unit, but our secondary still may be suspect with Traveres Tillman at strong safety and our defensive front in the middle is a little on the shaky side too, with the questionable status of Tim Bowens & Larry Chester.
However, if a productive Ricky Williams returns to Davie, FL in July, if the secondary holds up & if we sign Keith Traylor to help clog the middle along side Larry Chester, we could get to 11-5. If Wanny can average 10 wins a season under normal circumstances, then Saban can too. With that said, look for a 9-7/10-6 season and a wild-card spot for the Dolphins next season.
However, if a productive Ricky Williams returns to Davie, FL in July, if the secondary holds up & if we sign Keith Traylor to help clog the middle along side Larry Chester, we could get to 11-5. If Wanny can average 10 wins a season under normal circumstances, then Saban can too. With that said, look for a 9-7/10-6 season and a wild-card spot for the Dolphins next season.
The defense really the rest on how the rookies and new additions pan out. I think our o-line will be better because of Houck. Houck was the guy that Jimmy wanted but could'nt get. I think things might have been different had Houck come to Miami in 98!
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No question Ronnie Brown is far more talented than Lamar Smith could ever hope to be even in his fantasies, but it remains to be seen how good of a pro he will be and just how many yards he'll rack up this year. At this point, you have to give the edge to Lamar simply because you can't truly compare the past to a complete unknown. If Ronnie had already been in the league for a year or more, it would be much more valid. Trust me, I hope with all my heart that your projection of Ronnie for this year will come true.
I would also say that the 2000 Offensive Line will end up being better than the 2005 one, but that is just a guess on my part just like yours. If Ronnie tears it up, it will make the O Line better just the same as the O Line will make Ronnie better if they can actually open some holes this year instead of being the swiss cheese unit they were last year. It works both ways. The line wasn't all that good when Ricky first got here, yet they played really well in '02 as well as '03 to a lesser extent.
Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with all your other calls.
I would also say that the 2000 Offensive Line will end up being better than the 2005 one, but that is just a guess on my part just like yours. If Ronnie tears it up, it will make the O Line better just the same as the O Line will make Ronnie better if they can actually open some holes this year instead of being the swiss cheese unit they were last year. It works both ways. The line wasn't all that good when Ricky first got here, yet they played really well in '02 as well as '03 to a lesser extent.
Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree with all your other calls.
dwadeattack said:
It is amazing that so few people see the Fielder factor. He knew what had to be done to win games especially in the schme when we were running back then. Most would agree with eveything in the post about us being better at most positions, yet they can't see the Jay had a lot to do with our record.
Don't get me wrong, I know we had to upgrade the QB position, but he knew how to use what he had to get the most out of the team. He had more heart than any QB I can remember. He was a true winner. Maybe he did not have the talent some had, but he knew what it took to win, and was willing to do anything to get it done.
I have come to hate AJ, not b/c of what he is, but to some how even the score for all those fools who gave Jay such a hard time. I guess I have sunk to their level. I really do wish him the best as a Jet, and will find myself pulling for him if he gets in vs us, just to show all those Jay haters how wrong they were.
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I'd like to say the '05 team is going to be better. 11-5 sounds like a stretch but I think it's possible. I think it will come down to if our offense can gel together sooner then later and if our defense can keep up it's level of play with the losses we've had on the D side of the ball.
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fitskin said:
love it
fitskin said:
nice one Fitskin--good post
Peter North huh, that`s original, things a little slow for you in the adult entertainment world these days?
The `00 team that went 11-5 was a solid team, Smith ran well (especially in the clutch and getting into the endzone) and Brown has his work cut out for him to get 1100 plus yards and double digit TDs. I don`t think the `05 team will even come close to 11 wins...maybe in a year or two, but not this year.
The `00 team that went 11-5 was a solid team, Smith ran well (especially in the clutch and getting into the endzone) and Brown has his work cut out for him to get 1100 plus yards and double digit TDs. I don`t think the `05 team will even come close to 11 wins...maybe in a year or two, but not this year.
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I dont hate Jay, just I dont think he was a good QB....in reference of you pulling for him against us I really dont care. The bottom line is that some people are happy to see Jay gone, not cause they hate him, but because he was a sorry QB....yes with a big heart.TARHEEL38 said:
Just out of curiosity, was Wanny on the staff of the dolphins for Dan's last game. Of course this was the Jaguars fiasco, in which Jay came in and threw a long TD pass. Not that I want to bring back bad memories but this could explain the 5 year love affair between Jay and WAnny!