15 yard penalties for use of "racial slurs"?

[WVDolphan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...yard-penalties-for-racial-slurs-on-the-field/

Of all of the PC liberal nonsense that has taken over the league, this may just take the cake.

There are a ton of problems with attempting to enforce this as a rule that results in a penalty.............

1. Lets suppose the ref throws a flag on player X for dropping an N-bomb......... first of all, how is the penalty announced? Does Mike Carey hit the mic with that swift motion of his(which is nothing more than him trying to make a brand for himself) and say "use of the word N..... , number 58 on the defense, 15 yard penalty, first down"? But, most importantly, lets say Mike Carey was mistaken and number 58 actually said...... "yo man, 77 looks a lot bigger this year". Well, Mike Carey has basically just announced to the world that number 58 used a racial slur and people will start calling him racist. Isnt that defamation of character? What happens if number 58's advertisement deals take a hit? That penalty could cost him millions. Total bull****.

2. Will the Redskins be penalized just for getting dressed? Seriously, how can the NFL bring this in as a rule and still have a franchise called the Redskins. Hypocritical much?

3. Why effect the outcome of games with penalties for things that have nothing to do with the actual play of the game? Couldnt the refs just note that a player used a racial slur and turn it over to the NFL? From there the league could require a player to undergo some kind of training on not using such words. Dosent that make more sense? Couldnt they just fine habitual offenders? They could do this and not make this information public you know. Of course, that would again make too much sense.

4. Which words would be included on the list? If certain words are left off of the list, is the NFL suggesting these words are OK?

Horrible. Just a terrible idea. But, watch it happen. Jon Martin's mom and the liberals are now running the NFL.

 

[Unchained 07]

Agreed. Not a fan of that word but it's silly for the league to think they can simply legislate it out of the game.

 

[Gonzo]

Racial slurs have no place in a work environment, whether that is an office or a field. I have no problem with it. Maybe it's time these players start paying attention in college and grow up. They're not in the trailer park or on the block any more.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

Racial slurs have no place in a work environment, whether that is an office or a field. I have no problem with it. Maybe it's time these players start paying attention in college and grow up. They're not in the trailer park or on the block any more.

A football team is not a regular work environment, despite how much you think it is, or for that matter, how much plaintiffs lawyers want it to be to line their own pockets.

But even if it is, racial slurs are not problem in the NFL, if you consider that the league is 70 percent black, and most of the time racial slurs are used from one black player to another black player, and you almost never hear complaints about it. The last time in recent memory, was Riley Cooper, and he had to do public penitence in the same way that Randy Marsh did. In other words, the employees themselves don't seem to mind it all that much, and can perform their jobs just fine despite racial slurs supposedly being used all around them.


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[Bingit]

Racial slurs have no place in a work environment, whether that is an office or a field. I have no problem with it. Maybe it's time these players start paying attention in college and grow up. They're not in the trailer park or on the block any more.

They don't, but ultimately they are just words. If you start throwing penalties for racial slurs, then the next step is getting penalized for any other type of name calling in general. This kind of thing should be something that the owners and coaches decide how they want to handle it.

 

[Gonzo]

A football team is not a regular work environment, despite how much you think it is, or for that matter, how much plaintiffs lawyers want it to be to line their own pockets.

But even if it is, racial slurs are not problem in the NFL, if you consider that the league is 70 percent black, and most of the time racial slurs are used from one black player to another black player, and you almost never hear complaints about it. The last time in recent memory, was Riley Cooper, and he had to do public penitence in the same way that Randy Marsh did. In other words, the employees themselves don't seem to mind it all that much, and can perform their jobs just fine despite racial slurs supposedly being used all around them.


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What is a "regular" work environment? The fact that it doesn't take place in an office doesn't justify racist, sexist, etc. comments. There is no work environment in which that is okay. Some jobs just take a little longer to come to terms with that fact, but they all do. The NFL is just playing catch up.

 

[Gonzo]

They don't, but ultimately they are just words. If you start throwing penalties for racial slurs, then the next step is getting penalized for any other type of name calling in general. This kind of thing should be something that the owners and coaches decide how they want to handle it.

Good, then it shouldn't be too difficult to stop using them. And if you don't see the difference between racial slurs and other forms of name-calling, then I'm sorry, but I really can't help you understand, because it's extremely basic.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

What is a "regular" work environment? The fact that it doesn't take place in an office doesn't justify racist, sexist, etc. comments. There is no work environment in which that is okay. Some jobs just take a little longer to come to terms with that fact, but they all do. The NFL is just playing catch up.

Because it's commonly done and the actual employees dont have a problem with it, if you want to be honest and examine who actually uses racist names and against who they're used the vast vast majority of the time at least during NFL games and in the locker rooms.

So really, if you actually want to be honest with yourself, it has nothing to do with protecting the rights of employees or creating an environment that the actual employees want or feel they need. Just be honest and say that racial epithets offend you personally and you want rules that impose penalties on people that use them regardless of whether thy cause any actual harm. I doubt you will, because PC is the exact opposite of honesty.



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[Gonzo]

Because it's commonly done and the actual employees dont have a problem with it, if you want to be honest and examine who actually uses racist names and against who they're used the vast vast majority of the time at least during NFL games and in the locker rooms.

So really, if you actually want to be honest with yourself, it has nothing to do with protecting the rights of employees or creating an environment that the actual employees want or feel they need. Just be honest and say that racial epithets offend you personally and you want rules that impose penalties on people that use them regardless of whether thy cause any actual harm. I doubt you will, because PC is the exact opposite of honesty.



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Being commonly done doesn't make it right. My step-grandfather routinely uses the word along with all his friends. Doesn't make it suddenly okay. As for the "employees being okay with it," bull****. Unless you've talked to every player who has been exposed to it, you don't have any idea, though I'm sure they are glad to have you speaking up for them.

Speaking of being honest, you really just want to be able to say racial slurs all you want without any repercussions. I have zero doubt that you do.

Not calling somebody a ****** isn't a "PC thing." It's a decent human being thing.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

Being commonly done doesn't make it right. My step-grandfather routinely uses the word along with all his friends. Doesn't make it suddenly okay. As for the "employees being okay with it," bull****. Unless you've talked to every player who has been exposed to it, you don't have any idea, though I'm sure they are glad to have you speaking up for them.

Speaking of being honest, you really just want to be able to say racial slurs all you want without any repercussions. I have zero doubt that you do.

Not calling somebody a ****** isn't a "PC thing." It's a decent human being thing.

Typical PC tactic, you have avoided addressing the substance and just yell that's racist. The point is is that you made a big hullabaloo saying that banning racial slurs in the NFl is the same as any other work place. I responded, and as you don't dispute, that almost all of the time racial slurs in the NFL are used by one black player against another and no one has a problem with it, or at least the actual employees, the people you claim need to be protected. Hence it is not about creating a welcome work environment at all, so you are being dishonest about it.

If you want my personal views on racial slurs, everyone has the right to say and believe what they want regardless of whether it offends you. If you don't like it, you are free not to associate with those people. And you are being especially paternalistic and hypocritical when you seek to impose penalties on people for saying things you don't like when it objectively doesn't harm anyone else, such as on an NFL football field, which is the ultimate meritocracy.


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[Gonzo]

Typical PC tactic, you have avoided addressing the substance and just yell that's racist. The point is is that you made a big hullabaloo saying that banning racial slurs in the NFl is the same as any other work place. I responded, and as you don't dispute, that almost all of the time racial slurs in the NFL are used by one black player against another and no one has a problem with it, or at least the actual employees, the people you claim need to be protected. Hence it is not about creating a welcome work environment at all, so you are being dishonest about it.

If you want my personal views on racial slurs, everyone has the right to say and believe what they want regardless of whether it offends you. If you don't like it, you are free not to associate with those people. And you are being especially paternalistic and hypocritical when you seek to impose penalties on people for saying things you don't like when it objectively doesn't harm anyone else, such as on an NFL football field, which is the ultimate meritocracy.


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Fine, I'm PC because I don't think people should call others racial slurs. Totally okay with that. Just means I'm well educated and didn't have ****ty parents.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

Fine, I'm PC because I don't think people should call others racial slurs. Totally okay with that. Just means I'm well educated and didn't have ****ty parents.

No, you are PC because you want other people penalized for using racial slurs. That's what this is about.

Funny, the people who brag about their academic credentials use it as a substitute for logic and actual critical thinking and reading comprehension skills.


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[Gonzo]

No, you are PC because you want other people penalized for using racial slurs. That's what this is about.

Funny, the people who brag about their academic credentials use it as a substitute for logic and actual critical thinking and reading compression skills.


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I absolutely do because it has no place in modern society, particularly in a country that spent over half of existence building itself on the backs of the very people targeted by these racial slurs. And I wasn't bragging about my academic credentials (didn't even provide them), I was just pointing out a fact that I learned early in life that you don't use racial slurs (good parenting, unlike Richie, apparently) and later learned why (education). Again, if that's the definition of PC, I'm okay with that.

Reading comprehension skills Funny that you mention it essentially as an argument against education, considering the report that recently came out about many college football players (and therefore, many NFL players) having 3rd grade reading levels. I'm guessing Richie is one of them.

 

[Wildbill3]

gotta say I don't care. it'd only be a couple of seasons before the old school players cleaned up their act, and believe me, money is more important to them than the continued use of racial slurs.

 

[dlockz]

OMG they are going to ruin football we now cant use racial slurs lol. First we cant make rookies carry our shoulder pads now this, what is this Russia. Much ado about nothing The NFL needs to clean up its act.
The army has a lot greater responsibility and somehow we are doing just fine with not allowing people to use racial slurs and such

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I absolutely do because it has no place in modern society, particularly in a country that spent over half of existence building itself on the backs of the very people targeted by these racial slurs. And I wasn't bragging about my academic credentials (didn't even provide them), I was just pointing out a fact that I learned early in life that you don't use racial slurs (good parenting, unlike Richie, apparently) and later learned why (education). Again, if that's the definition of PC, I'm okay with that.

Reading comprehension skills Funny that you mention it essentially as an argument against education, considering the report that recently came out about many college football players (and therefore, many NFL players) having 3rd grade reading levels. I'm guessing Richie is one of them.

You shouldn't be surprised when its regarded as a bad thing to have two ivy league parents in the household.