#2 Pick Value

[PhinPhreak]

I know there is a lot of talk about the value chart for draft picks, it's speculated that the chart will be hard to go buy in the top of the first round because the talent level isn't as high as usual.

Given that I know that everybody wants a boat load from the Bucs to trade up to the #2, and I think Saban should hold out as long as he can, but if it comes to draft day and all the Bucs offer is a swap of firsts and their 2nd, even though this is less then the chart says why not take it. The player picked at 5 won't be much different then the player taken at 2. At least in this trade they get an equal value player and add a much needed 2nd.

Again I am not saying offer this up, but if it comes down to a below value trade and no trade I say take what you can get.

 

[unifiedtheory]

I know there is a lot of talk about the value chart for draft picks, it's speculated that the chart will be hard to go buy in the top of the first round because the talent level isn't as high as usual.

Given that I know that everybody wants a boat load from the Bucs to trade up to the #2, and I think Saban should hold out as long as he can, but if it comes to draft day and all the Bucs offer is a swap of firsts and their 2nd, even though this is less then the chart says why not take it. The player picked at 5 won't be much different then the player taken at 2. At least in this trade they get an equal value player and add a much needed 2nd.

Again I am not saying offer this up, but if it comes down to a below value trade and no trade I say take what you can get.

I agree with much of what you are saying but we hold the hammer.

If Gruden wants our #2 then he has to sweeten the offer. He has 2 third rounders and I think he'll have to use one of them to move up.

 

[rafael]

Saban has pretty much said he disagrees with you. He said he will go by the chart. I believe him. So if he's deciding between below value and no trade, he's saying no trade.

 

[jnewmant]

I know there is a lot of talk about the value chart for draft picks, it's speculated that the chart will be hard to go buy in the top of the first round because the talent level isn't as high as usual.

Given that I know that everybody wants a boat load from the Bucs to trade up to the #2, and I think Saban should hold out as long as he can, but if it comes to draft day and all the Bucs offer is a swap of firsts and their 2nd, even though this is less then the chart says why not take it. The player picked at 5 won't be much different then the player taken at 2. At least in this trade they get an equal value player and add a much needed 2nd.

Again I am not saying offer this up, but if it comes down to a below value trade and no trade I say take what you can get.

i'm pretty much with you on this idea. If we can add just one more pick to our stable that's fine by me as long as the Bucs offer up their second instead of say a third or fourth. Ideally i'd like to get full value for the pick but like you said the draft isn't as strong at the top as years past and i don't think the value of the picks at the top would be that much more vast compared to lower picks than in previous years

 

[PhinPhreak]

I agree with much of what you are saying but we hold the hammer.

If Gruden wants our #2 then he has to sweeten the offer. He has 2 third rounders and I think he'll have to use one of them to move up.

I agree, however if it comes to draft day and TB says this is it, a swap of firsts and a 2nd I say take it. I would almost say even if it was a swap of firsts and a 3rd take it.

The point would be it is an unfair trade value wise but if you can still get your player at 5 and gain any kind of pick why not take it, it is better then nothing at all. Problem would be that teams may not do something like this because it makes them look like they got ripped off.

If there was a big gap between the top 5 players I would say no, but there really isn't this year.

 

[Losman7]

Saban has pretty much said he disagrees with you. He said he will go by the chart. I believe him. So if he's deciding between below value and no trade, he's saying no trade.

And you are OK with that? You'ed rather pick Ronnie Brown at 2 and get no 2nd than pick Ronnie Brown at 5 and get a 2nd?

That chart should be thrown out the window, especially this year, picks are only worth as much as people are willing to trade for them. Taking Brown at 2 instead of 5 woin't make give him more "value" or make him a better player.

 

[jnewmant]

And you are OK with that? You'ed rather pick Ronnie Brown at 2 and get no 2nd than pick Ronnie Brown at 5 and get a 2nd?

That chart should be thrown out the window, especially this year, picks are only worth as much as people are willing to trade for them. Taking Brown at 2 instead of 5 woin't make give him more "value" or make him a better player.

and if we signed brown at five instead of two his contract won't be near as hard on the cap

 

[PhinPhreak]

And you are OK with that? You'ed rather pick Ronnie Brown at 2 and get no 2nd than pick Ronnie Brown at 5 and get a 2nd?

That chart should be thrown out the window, especially this year, picks are only worth as much as people are willing to trade for them. Taking Brown at 2 instead of 5 woin't make give him more "value" or make him a better player.

Damn I am in agreement with a Bills fan, the end must be near.

 

[finsfan4life]

And you are OK with that? You'ed rather pick Ronnie Brown at 2 and get no 2nd than pick Ronnie Brown at 5 and get a 2nd?

That chart should be thrown out the window, especially this year, picks are only worth as much as people are willing to trade for them. Taking Brown at 2 instead of 5 woin't make give him more "value" or make him a better player.

Ronnie Brown might not be there at #5 so if Saban thinks he's the person to draft, he drafts him at 2. You don't gamble if there's someone that you really want to draft that's why teams will have to pay us for taking a gamble on moving down.

 

[jnewmant]

Ronnie Brown might not be there at #5 so if Saban thinks he's the person to draft, he drafts him at 2. You don't gamble if there's someone that you really want to draft that's why teams will have to pay us for taking a gamble on moving down.

Ronnie might not be there at no. 5 but i think Saban would be just as fine drafting one of the other two backs if they're there, and even if TB is just trying to dupe us and we do trade and TB and the other two teams before us go for backs then we still have alot of good players to choose from, namely Smith, Edwards and we could probably still trade down another time and amass one or two more picks

 

[Trench Knife]

Chucky will pay up because he knows that Crennel (who picks at #3) wants Smith just as much as he does! If the Bucs dont give us what we want we'll either take Smith or trade with someone else!

Either way the Bucs dont get their QB!

 

[Losman7]

Ronnie might not be there at no. 5 but i think Saban would be just as fine drafting one of the other two backs if they're there, and even if TB is just trying to dupe us and we do trade and TB and the other two teams before us go for backs then we still have alot of good players to choose from, namely Smith, Edwards and we could probably still trade down another time and amass one or two more picks

Could it be that Saban dosen't have a problem taking 1 of, say 3 players? I mean if he would like Amith, Brown, or Edwards one of them will be there at 5, making a trade down to 5 logical, regardless if it is "chart compensation"

 

[jnewmant]

Could it be that Saban dosen't have a problem taking 1 of, say 3 players? I mean if he would like Amith, Brown, or Edwards one of them will be there at 5, making a trade down to 5 logical, regardless if it is "chart compensation"

yeah you made the point i was attempting to make but you were alot less long winded about it

 

[LarryFinFan]

Ronnie Brown might not be there at #5 so if Saban thinks he's the person to draft, he drafts him at 2. You don't gamble if there's someone that you really want to draft that's why teams will have to pay us for taking a gamble on moving down.

Maybe not, but there are several folks that WILL be there at #5 ( one of the three RBs at least, D. Johnson, S. Merriman...this would not be a total loss if we trade down and Brown is not there...yes we need a RB, but one could be taken in the 3rd round as well since the class of RBs is so deep...I like the idea of a trade down and if Brown or Caddy or Benson are there...fine, if not we go with on the D needs we have, either way, we win IMO...

 

[rafael]

And you are OK with that? You'ed rather pick Ronnie Brown at 2 and get no 2nd than pick Ronnie Brown at 5 and get a 2nd?

That chart should be thrown out the window, especially this year, picks are only worth as much as people are willing to trade for them. Taking Brown at 2 instead of 5 woin't make give him more "value" or make him a better player.

I agree with Saban on that. I just don't see a player at 5 that equals Smith. I'm a huge Brown fan, but QB is the most important position.