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2008 NFL Draft do-over: Miami Dolphins get Matt Ryan

Melty Ice: NFL's version of Houdini! Makes himself disappear in 2nd halfs of postseason games.
 
YungRobbin said:
While I think Matt Ryan is a good QB I feel as though he was one of those QBs who is above average but far from a star who would probably end up demanding star money (Flacco,Cutler or Stafford). Call me what you want but I still think Tannehill behind a good O line, if he ran for a few more first downs and with a more competent coordinator who gets him on the move and in the right situation can still become one of those psuedo star QBs like a Phillip Rivers who is more than capable of outplaying the few true star QBs in a playoff game.
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Good post and how I feel as well. Matty when given great protection and excellent receivers is a very good QB. Ryan has the chance to be better.
Jake did give us a couple solid pro bowl years before the injuries so that counts for something.
 
correct me if im wrong (and i might be) but isnt this the season we had chad pennington? I dont know about you guys, but i loved Chad. I dont ever remember feeling that confident watching a qb drop back in the pocket since marino. its too bad he had shoulder problems or this dude could of brought us places (granted i know he had a weak arm but Chad is a coach on the field and an INCREDIBLE leader)
 
Matt Ryan isn't all that great. Occasionally really good but not sure if he is a franchise qb
 
Ryan is one of the better qb's in the NFL some people just don't realize that football is a team Rodgers yet but he is a top 10 qb and can get better. Really tough guy.
 
Ryan is good, not great. Long was among the best 3 in his position, even as a rookie. That cannot be said for Ryan. I would have had Chad P over Ryan most of the time. Chad, in his one non injury ravaged career, was more of a leader that what ryan ever will be.
 
Buff said:
Ryan is good, not great. Long was among the best 3 in his position, even as a rookie. That cannot be said for Ryan. I would have had Chad P over Ryan most of the time. Chad, in his one non injury ravaged career, was more of a leader that what ryan ever will be.
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Chad Henne has never been a good qb and none of us really know what kind of a leader they are. The players that play with them would know
 
spiketex said:
This wasn't that far removed from the Jamarcus Russell disaster in Oakland. The Big Tuna apparently had Ireland, Henning and Sparano run private sessions with Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco and Chad Henne. They came back with the unanimous answer that the difference between the 3 was very small and so the call was made to take Jake Long as the safe pick, because we also needed a RT to protect the QB. Remember this was before the reduction in the payment to rookies in the collective bargaining agreement, so there was very high risk.
Big Tuna was scared sh**less of another Jamarcus Russell and when the Three Stooges returned saying Henne was as good as the other guys, he was just following their collective recommendation. He valued Dan Henning's judgement most of all and Henne got the unanimous star of approval.
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Interesting, I hadn't heard that.

What I did hear, is that they loved Flacco.

I don't LOVE Matt Ryan, and it retrospect, there was nothing wrong with taking Jake Long, or Chris Long (as some wanted) as a first pick. It's the safe pick. But then you go back and get more good picks. You do not make your next 2 picks Merling and Henne. That was ridiculous and a waste. If you're going to throw away picks like that, he should have just used those 2 picks to trade back up into the first round.
 
Basically, in the NFL, there's nothing wrong with taking a chance on a guy, but you don't double-down on the stupidity.

There's always more rounds, more years of drafts to fix mistakes. Holding onto Henne when he was clearly not the answer was a mistake. And installing the wildcat to inflate your numbers, when you have a lousy offense, was also a mistake. If we dropped those 2 things, all the drafts would have gone differently and we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
 
HoneyB said:
Basically, in the NFL, there's nothing wrong with taking a chance on a guy, but you don't double-down on the stupidity.

There's always more rounds, more years of drafts to fix mistakes. Holding onto Henne when he was clearly not the answer was a mistake. And installing the wildcat to inflate your numbers, when you have a lousy offense, was also a mistake. If we dropped those 2 things, all the drafts would have gone differently and we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
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I agree Honey B. The problem with Henne was that he could play well some days and give false hope. (He's still doing that in Jax). It would have been better to know for certain that he was a bust, much earlier. I'm also of the view that they may have messed him up further with the clock, trying to speed up his release. The intention was good but it had the effect of denting his self confidence.
The other big negative of the era was Henning. The acquisition of Chad Pennington and development of the Wildcat masked fundamental problems that were not addressed. Chad, Ricky and Ronnie gave us a lot of thrills in an exciting season, but Sparano was struggling in the Head Coaching job, Henne wasn't good enough to be a future franchise QB and money was splashed around on O-line free agents who were consistent busts.
 
People bag on Henne all the time, but if you had that head coach and dinosaur play calling you'd suck too... I think he could have been a hell of lot better if a real team got a hold of him early on and taught him the right techniques... He had 0 chance to succeed with those fools at the helm and even then he really wasn't all that bad.
 
hard to argue with that but i will stand by that in the long run we have the better qb in tannehill...
 
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